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You know that making CI/CD doesn’t mean you have to pay boatloads of money to a vendor.

Putting up bash script that pulls repo and deploys it is already CI/CD.

Setting up basic Jenkins installation for a technical person should not be taking longer than 2 hours. For person who already is familiar with Jenkins that would be 30mins.

Once you have paying customers I would say there should be max and minimum 2 devs that can fiddle with prod. Others should pass changes via senior people.

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A truly lean team (say, <=5 people and limited project scope) should be able to live off their code forge's free CI/CD minutes, or whatever is included in the basic tier they're running. Just run the suite on a schedule against trunk instead of on every PR.

If not, then that's a good signal they should invest more into their CI/CD setup, and like you said it's not necessarily a huge investment, but it can be a barrier depending on skills.

What skill? You can get Jenkins running in afternoon.

If you can't set up CI/CD you're not qualified to program anything

That's a bit harsh, depending on how a person developed or where they worked they may not have had exposure to other facets beyond basic development. Beyond that, it might as well be magic. They'll have to figure out how to provision a VM, ssh into it & lock all the proverbial doors first. Without going into managing it with IaC tools like Terraform, Ansible, Packer, etc.

> That's a bit harsh, depending on how a person developed or where they worked they may not have had exposure to other facets beyond basic development. Beyond that, it might as well be magic.

...so? You sit your ass down and learn. It might take a bit longer if you never touched shell but it's far easier than anything actual programming deals with, especially currently with set of ready or near ready recipes for every environment.

Yes yes. You’re right. I am saying at some places devs don’t own production- there’s an IT/Ops/non-dev person in the loop. Especially common if you’re a consultant in non-tech industries

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