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TV examples show that Apple simply has done their scrolling right, while everyone else did not work out the necessary details.

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Except the other examples used to work like Apple’s and have switched to the scroll locked implementation.

I think I prefer that mode to be honest, because it leaves you in a consistent place for up/down to take you to instead of it potentially depending where your selection is in the row.

Yeah the real pain is button pressing down / up / back in the TV UI. Definitely a fun grab bag of possible outcomes! I don’t think there’s a good solution without a militant UI person in charge of the whole shebang - some radical simplification would likely be needed.

The reality is that the click ipod was much better at scrolling media than the Apple TV is. And I own a lot of Apple TVs - I think it’s a good device. But it was far faster to scroll through media 20 years ago.

you can navigate lists (and scrub media playback) on Apple TV using the iPod click wheel gesture!

> Circle your finger around the clickpad ring for more precise control (silver remote only).

https://support.apple.com/guide/tv/navigate-apple-tv-4k-atvb...

I know. If you have an old iPod, try it. I stand by my review; I think it's probably 3x as much latency.

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