Along similar lines, there's no way I would buy an OLED at this price point. If I'm dropping $3k on a monitor, it needs to be a technology that lasts, not a technology that wears out over time.
23 years for an older generation OLED seems fine to me, I don't understand the problem here?
[1] https://youtu.be/H43wnV-v7V0
[2] https://youtu.be/RbEgQrigiLc
[3] https://youtu.be/AZfwHcMLorY
In my case, 3205 hours of use:
- 428 pixel cleans
- 1/3 brightness (my room is pretty dim and I often code during the night)
- static control on
- pixel shift on
- apl low
- sub-logo dim on
- corner dim on.
During the day I am not able to see any burn in. During the night it's unnoticeable unless you're looking for it. And it's only visible on gray backgrounds, unnoticeable during normal use. My phone (Nothing Phone 2) fails to capture it no matter how hard I try (even during the night).
The only issue I had was at 2417 hours and it was vertical white stripes like this: [4] but they were completely gone after a manual pixel clean. No issues since. I am never going back, worth every penny I spent.
[4] https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabyte/comments/1gyv1db/fo32u2_ve...
> You’re babying it with low brightness
That's the same brightness I was using on my IPS. And if you watched the videos then you'd know that those people use OLEDs at "almost max brightness" and see no burn in.
> dynamic dimming
Such features are unnoticeable during normal use and most of them are defaults.
> the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it”
Again, this is only noticeable if your room is completely black and you're staring at gray content.
To counter your argument, you have a much worse backlight bleeding on IPS, which is very but very visible during normal use. To quote you: "the fact that there's anything, is not a good sign".
It's weird how you call OLEDs bad but completely forget about IPS downsides, and I'm not gonna even start on VA.
At the current state, OLED wins.
Adding one more reference, here is a recent post to /r/monitors showing burn-in after 2 years of constant use: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1pf0tmi/here_is_m...
And as a personal anecdote, I've experienced burn-in on my pixel 3a after 2 years. When switching to a full-screen solid grey, you could clearly see the bottom button bar with the home/back buttons.
Debatable, it's not what those content creators say, and I definitely wouldn't call it alarming if it requires you to stare at gray background in a dark room. It isn't even half as bad as IPS backlight bleeding or VA angles. Different people have different standards. You don't have to buy it if you don't like it.
> Adding one more reference, here is a recent post to /r/monitors showing burn-in after 2 years of constant use
Pixel clean cannot run if the monitor is constantly receiving signal.
Also show me an IPS after 2 years of constant use. The backlight can degrade as well.
[edit] Furthermore, 3 year warranty covers your burn in, so I guess they would happily replace your monitor once the burn in normally visible. [/edit]
> Get back to us about your burn-in after 8.6 more years.
Feel free to ping my email (@gmail.com) at that time.
> I've experienced burn-in on my pixel 3a after 2 years
2019. My Nothing Phone 2 is from 2023. I've been having it for 1y 8mo+ and experienced zero burn in on the same gray test. For reference, I don't use automatic brightness and it's almost full-brightness all-day (except evenings).
Quoting one of your videos: "After 21 months, seeing these artifacts is certainly annoying". If I spend $3k on a monitor, it should _not_ be annoying after 2 years.
Also "If your primary monitor use case is productivity, you likely have up to 3 years of decent usage under normal conditions before burn-in starts to become a concern". I almost exclusively use my monitor for productivity, and it definitely needs to last more than 3 years.
> Pixel clean cannot run if the monitor is constantly receiving signal.
True, but pixel clean works by burning-in the rest of your (sub)pixels so that they are evenly burned. Therefore what you are seeing in that photo is permanent degradation of those (sub)pixels. The clean will smooth it out so it doesn't look bad, but those pixels will never be as bright again. That portion of their life is spent. It is an unavoidable part of how OLED works.
I agree that emissive displays are the future. But OLED is not the way to get there.
Why are you insisting to spend 3k? I've already said that 1k is enough. Also he said "but generally speaking it hasn't been a noticeable problem in most tasks". In the same productivity scenario, with a gray background, IPS backlight bleeding would've been even worse (unless you win the lottery and there's little to no bleeding). RTings showed this on many monitors (unfortunately they paywalled everything due to AI [1]).
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DshOOs39vA
> It is an unavoidable part of how OLED works.
True.
> OLED is not the way to get there.
I'm not a screen scientist so I'll refrain from making a statement like this. I don't have anything to add. I guess we'll see how it pans out in the future.
Edit: I bought my FO32U2P mostly to reduce eye strain. 4k 240hz with nice colors is also a very neat upgrade.
> A US Department of Energy paper shows that the expected lifespans of OLED lighting products goes down with increasing brightness, with an expected lifespan of 40,000 hours at 25% brightness, or 10,000 hours at 100% brightness
Plus, coding at night on OLED just makes me want to write more code. It's great.
I bought my OLED TV when fearmongering was the highest, and it still works perfectly with zero burn-ins. So it is definitely possible. I bought the tv 8 years ago.
In the 7 years since they’ve gotten better, with micro lens arrays and stuff to improve brightness without heat causing faster decay.
RTINGs has some great content on TV longevity, but I haven’t seen anything for monitor workloads.