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The sheer irony of admitting spying on the global population from both.

And the sheer irony of Americans proclaiming Anthropic as morally superior because of it. Do they think America is the only country or something? I thought that was just a trope.

I suspect any 5 eyes countries can get any information they want on any citizen in any of the countries in that unholy agreement.

When has the US govt and its allies been secretive about spying on non-citizens? We literally have agreements with European allies to collaborate on it.

The Patriot Act and spying on US citizens was a major issue a decade ago.

The prevalence of data and a general sense of powerlessness means this won't get talked about much sadly.

If it’s in the cloud it’s not your computer. I assume there is no privacy in the cloud unless it’s locally encrypted and only stored there.

The sheer naivete to think the United States has any legal or moral obligation to respect the privacy of the global population.

Does that apply to all moral obligations?

Does Iran have a moral obligation to not nuke the global population? What about Israel and Palestine?

Legal, no. Moral, absolutely. I mean, aren't other people human?

Under their moral framework, Israel has no moral obligation against bombing the shit out of Palestine.

Other people are human and I agree that violence used against non-Americans overseas should be used only with very serious consideration and with checks and safeguards (albeit not with the same absolute protections as when used domestically).

But privacy? Yeah, no, if it benefits the safety or interests of US even slightly to know what the world is thinking, seeing, and planning, I have zero qualms using all tools at our disposal.

Do you have any qualms about Chinese surveillance of the USA? Is it cool for them to gather info on you?

What is a qualm? It's their job to do it, and our job to stop them from doing it.

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