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Are there any non-Chinese open models that offer comparable performance?

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I think you could look into Minstral. There's also GPT-OSS but I'm not sure how well it stacks up.

What's your problem with Chinese LLMs?

it’s not obvious to you why someone would want to avoid models created by our enemies?

No, it's not. They're just collections of numbers that can be harnessed to produce outputs. I check the outputs and if they're good I use them. If they're not, I ignore them and there's no harm done. Obviously I don't trust them to be accurate sources of information, but I don't trust American corporate LLMs much more.

No, explain it to me. GPT-OSS is one of the most heavily-censored models on the internet, what's the point of buying local if it's crap?

As an European, I trust China more than America. China doesn't just start bombing other countries and causes regime changes.

Nothing personally - Our customers send us highly sensitive financial documents to process. Using a foreign model to process their data (or even just for local testing) will most likely result in a u-turn.

What if you run them locally, or use a US-based provider that hosts them? IMO the provenance of the weights doesn't matter. You're right that the location of the hoster does, though.

Why would anyone care if its Chinese? No one uses ChatGPT because its from the US.

All the western ones are closed while all the Chinese ones are open. The only exception is the European Mistral but performance of that model is not very satisfactory. Hopefully they make some improvements soon

It's not only "non-Chinese" to think about here. There's nobody really touching Qwen in the single-GPU size class and there hasn't been for a couple of generations.

What's the problem with Chinese models? The models are already open which makes them more trustworthy than the American closed models.

They are trained to respond to certain topics in a way that does not align with real world evidence. Pretty much the opposite of what you want in such a tool.

This is trivial to test and verify yourself. Just pick any topic you think has a chance of being censored. You can do the same on American models and compare results.

I strongly agree, that this is an issue that needs to be adressed, but for everyday coding tasks it wont matter in 99.9 percent of cases.

I found that as well. It replaces American propaganda with Chinese propaganda.

No it doesn't. It replaces things that have a lot of evidence, with things that don't. You can test this yourself.

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