The referenced write-up based on the Persona front end code is here:
https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona
I definitely recommend reading this primary source before drawing conclusions about the code as most of the secondary reporting is quite low quality.
https://vmfunc.re/blog/persona
I definitely recommend reading this primary source before drawing conclusions about the code as most of the secondary reporting is quite low quality.
[1]: https://withpersona.com/blog/post-incident-review-source-map...
[2]: https://x.com/Persona_IDV/status/2025048195773198385?s=20
Datadog RUM (browser-intake-datadoghq.com) - real-time user monitoring. every click, every page load - on a FedRAMP platform processing PII and biometrics.
Yet no mention of that in the post. They just assume that they must be sending PII from a FedRAMP site to DataDog. No proof of what data actually does get sent.
@dang can this get a second chance?
The differences in proclaimed data retention periods is concerning though. The rest is par for the course for KYC/AML.
When you applied for a bank account for your freelancing business (or startup idea), some people googled you, looked for PEPs (politically exposed persons) in your family, stored photos of your IDs and probably even printed them off, and sent everything in a nice package to some "risk" department. Who knows how that department is handling your data.
The only difference is that Persona is trying to put a front-end on it and selling the process as a SaaS. Look up "KYC/KYB saas" and you'll find hundreds of businesses doing this (including, of course, Persona).
edit: I want to emphasize that this isn't restricted to just business banking. Poor wording on my part. Lots of industries are legally mandated to conduct KYC/IDV. Notaries do it in home sales, your stock brokerage is doing it, employers in regulated industries do it to everyone on payroll. The list is very long. Unfortunately...
The government should take on responsibility for KYC imo, instead of letting 100 vendors come up with their own solutions. But that would probably have some nasty externalities.
My takeaway was that in this case, even an author with a clear and extreme bias against this sort of thing could find only unfortunately-common bad practices rather than deeply nefarious intent. Of course, this is just the front-end code, but this just looks like a KYC platform to me. Most of the secondary reports on this write-up seem to completely ignore section 0x13 and jump to the specific conclusions the author does not draw.
The fact that we've created a system where Discord need and want a KYC platform is a different and quite strange thing, but the KYC platform itself just looks like what it says on the tin.
Please make it actually readable and don't steal my audio!
different people have different tastes. people complain about boring websites, people complain about websites with animations or colors. the only guarantee is that the conversation isnt interesting.
if you are on the side that doesnt like music, animations, whatever, i recommend a combination of noscript and using reader mode.
Blasting music or sound on auto play when you aren't directly navigating to audio or video content is just rude.
It's the same as playing your speaker on the subway.
maybe you are unaware, but you can browse HN without an account, and you can browse previous submissions (years back, even!). its not like i can only see posts made in the last 4 days.
second, i saw the original post because it was posted in this very comment chain we are on, 5 hours ago, by bondarchuk (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47137961).
my turn! what is your comment trying to accomplish by cross-examining me about something completely unrelated? what point are you trying to make?
if you think my comment is wrong, you should talk about the contents of the comment, not the age of my account.
Sounds like you're practicing creating AI bots and have modeled the personality after the other rogue ones.
so, what exactly, are you basing your accusation on?
was it me saying "use noscript and reader mode" or maybe "people have different opinions"? or just by nature of having created an account after you created yours?
this sort of accusation is what will drive HN to be a shit community to participate in. just accuse anyone you slightly disagree with as being a bot/ai
im not even sure what your issue, or rezonants issue with me even is! all i said was different people have different opinions, and you two are crawling up my ass about it. lets hope we never have to talk to each other about anything slightly important.
Might I recommend leaving the snark at home and approaching your interactions here with good faith instead of acting like you're the authoritative arbiter of community interactions?
Welcome to Hacker News.
the highest irony, coming from someone who literally cross-examined me and then insulted me rather than engage with my comments at all! can you seriously not see how ridiculous that is?
somehow i am the one who needs to approach interactions in good faith?
lmao. no. you dont get good faith from me. if you want good faith, dont start your conversations with an interrogation and follow it with an insult.
But it didn't make sense why you would do that for this particular post, especially while seeming to assert some kind of authority and familiarity with the cultural norms of the HN community. So I asked you about it, not aiming to negate or reduce your point but rather to learn about why you would use an alt account.
Instead of simply replying that you were in fact new and this was not an alt, rather that you were a long time lurker and a first time poster, you jumped down my throat and the throats of everyone else involved in this thread, being toxic and abrasive in every way possible. Both of my posts here which you think are at odds with each other are in service of encouraging you to check yourself, because you are being unreasonable; not meant as an insult demanding you to clap back. "You must be great at parties" should prompt you to step back and think of what passers by would think of your behavior and demeanor, because I'm giving you a social hint that a lot of people will find that behavior off putting. That statement is not a prompt for you to grow more vitriolic and upset, and continue the behavior I'm trying to point out is not going to serve you well in a social space like this.
but, uh, why are you insulting me? is this an example of "interacting in good faith" that you told me i should be doing?
it would be great if dang or tomhow could chime in on this, and let me know if your comment here is a good example for me to follow!