One of the biggest problem we have these days is that most people don't want to live in the countryside and consider that
One of the biggest problem we have these days is that most people don't want to live in the countryside and consider that
"Nobody will prevent you..." Can I plant on your property and keep all the produce? My property isn't big enough to support my family of two. Where shall I plant? The fiefdom?
I just don't get this take. It sounds awful for virtually everybody. We live at a scale that is not like it was when I was born. Asking everyone to raise their own beef and vegetables is a as much a non-starter as telling them they can just build their own tractors to till.
Edit: I'd like to acknowledge Poe's Law might be in effect here. :)
It's depressing that we can't be sure anymore because far too many people say things like this and actually mean it.
Most people just want to live where everybody already lives
Yes, but it's cheap because there aren't a million people bidding on it, which is what will happen when everyone moves out of the big cities.
Like, we get to assume it's a Motte and Bailey or Schrödinger’s Joke.
When I was a kid we had an half acre potato patch a quarter acre vegetable garden. It was a fuck ton of work. It was only possible to keep up because my brother and I did most of the weeding, watering and assorted up keep during our summer "holidays"
I wouldn't wish a subsistence farming lifestyle on anyone.
And this is to just name a few - definitely not an exhaustive list.
We, as a society, have moved on from subsistence living with small groups of people and with the ratio to the number of people in the world to fertilel and it isn't a serious option for large numbers of the population. I love the dream of it and I do think we could make a big shift to move towards food independence, even through urban gardening, etc, but I don't really see it going there unless there are some pretty large societal/environmental/economic shifts that happen.
What really needs to happen, in my opinion, is a shift to the idea that we live in a time of abundance. We have the means to supply all of our needs to everyone, it is 100% a political choice to let people suffer in order for a few to thrive at levels that have never been seen. We should have food security, access to healthcare, and housing as a human right and we should do it in an efficient way (and we can!). Unfortunately we are in a time where power is once again being concentrated to the hands of the very few. There will always be work that needs to be done, but who determines what work is actually completed and who benefits from it can and has changed many times throughout our history.
It certainly was not the case in most agricultural societies that people could get their own plot of land that they could cultivate without interference from the rest of the society.
To expect that people able to replace other humans completely for working purposes, especially the kind of people who end up at the head of the kind of company able to do that, would peacefully let the rest of us be, is delusional.
Feeding eight billion plus people requires scalable technologies.
So, which nine of every ten people should die? You volunteering?
Who owns the land on which to do this farming? Oh, perhaps start with one of the oligarchs, Bill Gates, who owns 275,000 acres, ostensibly to increase agricultural prodictivity, but still, it's his land not yours or mine, so how will we buy the food from him without a means of earning money?
My family gardens, but with a LOT of work, we produce only enough to supplement diet for part of the year. Fully sustaining would require multiples of the land we have...
Also, look into the actual lifestyle of subsistence farming, even for those who DO own the land. It is generally miserable hard labor and still entirely unreliable. One crop failure and your family gets to starve for a year...
8+ billion people cannot grow their own food, and if you factor in climate change, many food producing areas will be unable to grow anything eatable.
So I would like to know davidguetta thought process. Maybe he was being sarcastic.