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You know Venezuela, Iran, Kuba. I wonder what all these countries that western Media tells us have "oppressive regimes" have in common.

Funny how they all have spoken out against the genocide in Gaza. One would think that would be the link on why they are targeted. Maybe the problem is not humanitarian but that they are opposing US imperialism?

Just like all the times before. You know when Iraq was preparing weapons of mass destruction. When Libya needed to be bombed for the good of its people so that Islamist warmongers could destroy the country. When the US brought the Taliban into power to fight the Soviets and then invaded Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban again. And then left and now the Taliban are fine again.

War. War never changes. It is the same old lies.

Now they want to destroy Iran.

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Don’t worry, Gaza also has an oppressive regime.

Yes, the oppressive regime is called Israel.

Yeah, the one that forced Hamas to do that: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna21742496

What is funny to me is that as long as some group is anti-west, they can commit any atrocity, and get a blank check for it. Like, they had to do it, there was not other choice. Completely stripped of any agency not to commit atrocities.

So the worst you could find is a story from 2007 where Hamas killed five collaborators?

Not to mention that it was in the context of a coup attempt against democratically elected Hamas.

Fatah decided to betray its own people. In the West Bank it is helping Israel to oppress their own people and actively fights against Palestinian resistance.

Hamas works perfectly well together with all Palestinian resistance groups from Islamic Jihad to secular ones like the PFLP.

> Fatah decided to betray its own people. In the West Bank it is helping Israel to oppress their own people and actively fights against Palestinian resistance.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/23/palestine-authorities-cr...

Does Israel also force Hamas and PA to violently suppress dissent too?

The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent.

As for Hamas

> Human Rights Watch met with the Palestinian Authority Intelligence Services in Ramallah, but was unable to accept an offer from Hamas authorities to meet in Gaza because Israel refused to grant permits for senior Human Rights Watch officials to enter the Gaza Strip for this purpose. Israeli authorities also rejected Human Rights Watch’s request for senior representatives to enter Gaza during October 2018 to present this report at a news conference.

> The Palestinian Authority is Fatah and yes they are forced by Israel to suppress dissent.

So, they still choose to do it, right?

> As for Hamas

How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true?

> So, they still choose to do it, right?

This discussion started with you saying how bad Hamas was for executing Fatah collaborators in 2007 so not sure what point you are making other than agreeing with Hamas.

> How Israelis refusal to admit these officials to meet Hamas’s leadership makes the crimes committed by Hamas not true?

Inviting Humans Rights Watch does not seem like the behavior of an organization that has crimes to hide. Considering it was not possible to enter Gaza, the fact finding was limited and so it is not conclusive.

Also Humans Rights Watch had to criticize "both sides" because of political pressure. It is a move to seem impartial.

Hamas does not oppress its people. It couldn't survive a day without the support of its people. It kills collaborators as any resistance movement needs to do. Nothing wrong with that.

> Hamas does not oppress its people.

Of course not, and the report is made up.

Holy hell, an actual bonafide unashamed Hamas apologizer in the wild.

Here you go, they have their own category of atrocities in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hamas_attacks

"Atrocities".

It is telling that people here discuss how the protestors in Iran are justified in using violence but Palestinians are not allowed to resist foreign occupation. Suddenly that is really bad.

Resistance is not a crime.

> Resistance is not a crime.

It actually is when the “resistance” is targeting civilians, including the foreign ones.

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