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Exactly. And what is the EU doing to attract American talent that doesn't want to live under the Trump regime with his ICE stormtroopers? Nothing really. Meanwhile, highly accomplished people in the US with Chinese ancestry are being wooed to China to do important R&D there.

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Did you just compare Chinese immigration enforcement favorably against "ICE stormtroopers"? Foreigners in China have to tell the police where they live, even if it's just a stay in a hotel, and they get deported very quickly for minor crimes. There isn't a problem of illegal immigration in China because the police are so strict, nobody can get away with it!

Strict police does sound quite a bit less bad than fascist police...

You have to know very little about China to think that it is somehow more favorable to foreigners and minorities than the US.

What the US does is bad, but somehow Americans think that means everywhere else is better.

I don’t know but I and my friends still visit China regularly, but not the US anymore, because we have no clue what’s the expectation there to not be in a jail for weeks. I have quite clear idea what the expectation in China, but not the US. Maybe there is something to it.

China is great for visitors, especially lighter skinned visitors. You probably won’t go to jail in China unless you have a thing for drinking a lot in Chinese bars, even then you will probably be ok as long as you don’t pick any fights.

Illegal immigration really isn’t a thing in China beyond a few North Koreans in Dongbei and a few Laotians in Yunnan. So they just won’t assume you are an illegal immigrant.

I know that China is an authoritarian near-dictatorial country that oppresses minorities and commits cultural genocide. And I am not an American.

That does not seem to be all that related to the original post I was answering to. An average person / citizen / visitor has way less to worry about around (trained) Chinese police than they have to worry about around an (gangster) American ICE agent.

You should also know that China doesn't have as much rule of law as America and indeed average people have a lot to worry about around the police, and generally are very careful not to do things that will get them beaten up. But it happens nontheless - violent assaults on street sellers by police, for instance. In China, people are actually scared of the police because the policemen have so much arbitrary power. They're not strictly and fairly enforcing the law at all.

Seems a lot more humane than allowing such things and then one day sending armed masked men to kidnap people from the street.

The major point being is that China doesn't have sanctuary cities. This wouldn't happen if the cities didn't safe harbor the illegals.

Most replies at this point will shift the goal posts stating 'due process', again keeping on topic, not available in China either.

I'm just going appreciate the irony someone comparing Chinese civil liberties with relation to internal security forces favorably with the US.

Say what you want about ICE, but the reason they wear masks is that the US citizenry still holds power (explicitly with firearms, implicitly with voting, and legally via the judicial system).

In China, they don't have to wear masks.

Seems like everyone forgot that before locking down in early 2020, Beijing was trying to ship the view that healthy people wearing masks is immoral - because HK protesters needed those to protect themselves from persecution. Oh, and umbrellas too, because surveillance cameras :) Really shows you the people in PRC huh?

(And then a U-turn where anyone that doesn't wear a mask [even for participating volleyball matches or flute concerts] is an enemy of the state. And if you are a disabled elderly and lockdown yourself, refusing the state-mandated tests, you are an enemy of the state. And they knock down your apartment doors to gas your cats and dogs.)

I really hope the red necks tearing down the procedural system of justice, as well as the left network hosts that got bedazzeled just after a trip to china know what they're asking for. Beware the wishes you make.

>>and they get deported very quickly for minor crimes

As compared to that Irish guy who has been in the US concentration camp for 5 months now, the court ordered his release which ICE just ignored and they won't deport him either. Yeah, definitely sounds much better than what China is doing.

Godwin's law? It seems dismissive of the holocaust to call ICE facilities concentration camps.

Unless they installed gas rooms and work until death requirements recently?

> Godwin's law? It seems dismissive of the holocaust to call ICE facilities concentration camps.

Concentration camps have a long history (you can start with the Wikipedia article on the topic). Nazi concentration camps in 30s and 40s, and the holocaust that they are linked to, happened over a relatively short time period in that history that continued even after. So Godwin's law indeed, brought about by yourself.

Concentration camps, work camps and extermination camps are three different things. Concentration camps have already been used by US to house Japanese citizens during WW2 and no one objects to that naming. What ICE is running is exactly this.

For EU it's quite difficult since it's harder to outmuscle American money in the first place

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