Instagram boss says 16 hours of daily use is 'problematic' not addiction
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This is the light of moral clarity in Mountain View that champions Instagram for Kids [1].
[1] https://www.npr.org/2021/12/08/1062576576/instagrams-ceo-ada...
I’m sure I’ve spent 16 hours on Netflix or League of Legends in a 24 hour period before, yet my median daily usage is 0 hours, and it wouldn’t be reasonable to describe my usage as an addition either.
I’m not saying people don’t get addicted to social media, they do, but in this particular case I think his description of problematic is adequate, and this headline is unnecessarily confrontational.
The guy doesn’t have a red line when it comes to children. That’s self serving and dangerous. (It’s also against a mounting pile of evidence, much of which Facebook has tried to lie about.)
Isn’t it up to the parents to limit social media use?
It might not surprise me. But if Philip Morris started arguing nicotine isn't addictive, I'd assume they're no longer able to run their organisation without increased public oversight.
> Isn’t it up to the parents to limit social media use?
Sure. One way parents can do that is by encouraging their represenatatives to pass laws to protect their children.
That was the argument tobacco companies used, and the courts ruled against them, which is why it matters quite a bit what Mosseri thinks.
It really seems like you're defending him.
Let's play a little game of replacement to see how we feel. Suppose he is selling cigarettes, since you made the comparison. He's targeting children and teens for marketing and making it difficult for parents to detect when their kids smoke; after all, Instagram has no smell.
Do your feelings remain the same?
Do your feelings remain the same if you look back at the history of the tobacco industry, recognize they also targeted teens because teen smokers were far more likely to become lifelong users? When you realize that effective change didn't happen until actual regulation came into place along with vocal public discussion?
Do your feelings remain the same when you recognize that teens are human beings who have their own autonomy? That parents cannot watch them at all times NOR should they? We transition teens into having greater autonomy and independence. The only way your "it's up to the parents" claim actually works is with helicopter parenting and where they go from 0 autonomy when they are 17 years and 364 days old to complete autonomy the next day.
You don't sound very realistic.
You sound like you're dismissive of the parents. You sound dismissive of the very thing you claim to advocate for. Realistically parents try to solve things by themselves, like most people. Then they turn to peers and family for help. Then they turn to local communities. There is a natural escalation of these things. That's the reality most people live in. Maybe that's not your reality, but it is that of most people. Are you really surprised that people have to escalate and take collective action? Otherwise it's a million battles of one set of parents vs a multitrillion dollar organization with supercomputers and experts on psychology and addiction. I'm just being realistic here, but it seems to me that it is more effective to combine forces, to form a coalition.
The term is over-used, but this is actual victim blaming. Nobody is surprised when a serial killer serial kills. But if a bystanders starts then arguing that we shouldn't be surprised at that, and that the victims shouldn't have gone into a neighbourhood with a serial killer, they're just being realistic...they're defending the serial killer. That's what their lawyer would be expected to argue. (It's literally what Mosseri and his supporters are saying.)
I'm curious if you had planned or intended to spend 16 hours doing it on these days? Or did you simply find it very difficult to stop?
eating 20 twinkies a day isn't necessarily the norm but twinkies have been formulated to make you want to eat them.
People with addiction use substances or engage in behaviors that become compulsive and often continue despite harmful consequences.
This is from the American Society of Addiction Medicine.
You can do your own test if this matches watching short videos extensively.
Tobacco defense. He is defending himself in a trial, is a very biased opinion.
> Familial links to lung cancer manifestation first appeared in the literature in the 1960s when siblings were found to have an increase in lung cancer mortality. ... The first published piece of literature attributing cigarette smoking to the growing incidence of lung cancer was in 1912 ... Tobacco companies enlisted the medical and nursing professions to promote the safety of their products in their advertising materials
Stop listening to billionaires and CEOs that profit the most from the damage that their business do to society. They lie for money, as simple as that.
Just like food, gaming, exercise, certain drugs...?
For example with certain drug addictions there is a direct physical danger of overdose which doesn't exist in the same way with social media
With 16 hours of daily use (and 8 hours of sleep per day) I wouldn't contrast the batched consumption here on an hours/day-basis, but on a days/year-basis, like going on a trip, a festival etc. Since that basically results in all the days available each year here, it isn't really a practiced ritual anymore, but a complete lifestyle.
Why does this deserve a headline?
It can certainly indicate that, but typically does not.
Most instances of problematic overindulgence have absolutely nothing to do with addiction.
Name one thing that is okay to do for 16 hours a day. One.
He literally said it is problematic!
> Instagram boss says 16 hours of daily use is "problematic"
Who and what in your life is 16 hours of Instagram taking you away from?
Instagram is garbage by the way for any Meta people in this thread. I’m tired of not seeing anyone I follow because you’re putting ads and viral videos I don’t give a fuck about in front of me instead. No wonder it wastes 16 hours, scrolling through shit trying to find something from someone or something you follow.
Your app is literally useless for communicating or keeping up with anyone I follow.
Facebook died when it lost interest in being Facebook and wanted to become TikTok.
Instagram died when it lost interest in being Instagram and wanted to become TikTok.
Your products and company should be banned, and everyone on your board belongs in jail.