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you believe in the timing of this discovery and i don't, we must agree to disagree there.

regarding the single recorded death in australia and your assertion that mrna vaccines are very safe, we are commenting beneath an article discussing otherwise, my disagreement is redundant.

regarding liberal democracies, the US has recently been executing its own citizens on the street and any government would do the same if deemed in the countrys best interests, it isnt clear why politics matter here.

regarding the ease of taking mrna vaccines, it is also easy to swallow cyanide pills. australians live a utopic life in low density housing. seems fairly clear that the average australian would accept mandates unquestioningly, furthermore that an australian lockdown would look a lot different to that of a high density country with a billion-strong population.

the reality is that we could have waited 6 months and not caused permanent damage to swathes of our world's future. this wasn't possible to fully predict at the time so i will give some benefit of the doubt. but when trillions are involved, safety of the common man is not the priority. which is also arguably the case when it comes to the gain of function research that initiated this entire situation.

> regarding the single recorded death in australia and your assertion that mrna vaccines are very safe, we are commenting beneath an article discussing otherwise, my disagreement is redundant.

No, we aren't commenting beneath an article discussing dangerous side effects of mRNA vaccines. Granted, the title might make you think that. But the article discusses one side effect: VTT. That side effect was caused by one vaccine: AstraZeneca. It is not an mRNA vaccine. As you noted, our discussion was about mRNA vaccines being responsible for a single recorded death, despite heavy use. AstraZeneca caused 8 or 11 deaths in Australia, depending on who you believe, yet distribution was limited.

> australians live a utopic life in low density housing.

It's true many Australians do live in low density housing. If you're well off I guess it life is pretty good, although I prefer the high density European cities to car centric suburbs. If you aren't so well off no place is a utopia. This summer it hit 48°C in the south. Cooler in Darwin in the north - 39°C, but 90% humidity. Australians get respite from this by going to the shopping centres, the pools or the sea, but you can't do that during a lock down.

> seems fairly clear that the average australian would accept mandates unquestioningly,

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_protests_in_Australia :

"While some protests were peaceful, others ended in clashes between protesters and police."

> furthermore that an australian lockdown would look a lot different to that of a high density country with a billion-strong population.

Maybe. You spend your time staring at your house walls or watching TV in both places. But as you say, Australian houses are bigger, so the walls would be further away /s

whoops i made the incorrect assumption that AZ was mrna. clearly it has scrambled my brain. either way my point stands that further testing would have saved young lives, which as you have noted was the tradeoff for getting the world economy back on track fast. net result seems similar to extended negotiations saving lives in war, so i still think that conscription and a mandate to take untested medicine are highly comparable.

i dont feel like arguing the lockdown point will lead us anywhere, anyway thanks for the laugh from your concluding statement

> whoops i made the incorrect assumption that AZ was mrna.

Oddly, I've seen a few people stridently arguing against all vaccines say this just recently. You're right in saying AstraZeneca was rushed through. I think that was understandable under the circumstances. I sought it out when there were no other vaccines were available, but I am in the high risk group. It would have been madness for the younger population to do the same, but that would have been difficult as the government put age restrictions on it as soon as the side effects became apparent.

Until speaking with you here I didn't realise the general anti-vaccination sentiment it stirred up. That will cause far more deaths than the VITT it triggered.

Thanks for the chat.

'as soon as the side effects became apparent' occurred a few months after millions upon millions of youth had already taken AZ. this was a tradeoff for having protected your demographic, which i agree is a positive note from that particular perspective.

indeed vaccination levels have notably dipped across the west as a result of this entire debacle. it will make for a great comparison in a few years when we can calculate excessive deaths across more diseases than simply covid. thank you for handling this discussion in a respectful manner, its very difficult to talk about these things productively. all the best

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