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Anyone, Christian or atheist, who has any interest in the Science Vs Religion debate as it has existed since Darwin should look at "Against Celsus" by Origen. It provides a fascinating example of a well educated Roman philosopher and a well educated Christian Platonist philosopher arguing with each other.

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I'm a fan of "Thunder, Perfect Mind"

  I am the knowledge of my inquiry,    
    and the finding of those who seek after me,     
    and the command of those who ask of me,     
    and the power of the powers in my knowledge     
    of the angels, who have been sent at my word,     
    and of gods in their seasons by my counsel,     
    and of spirits of every man who exists with me,     
    and of women who dwell within me.     
   I am the one who is honored, and who is praised,    
    and who is despised scornfully.     
   I am peace,    
    and war has come because of me.     
   And I am an alien and a citizen.

the full thing is a long read, but its very good and interesting!

Is this a decent translation?

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/thunder.html

It's the same translation provided at the collection mentioned in the post. https://earlychristianwritings.com/text/thunder.html

Here's a more recent rendition https://diotima-doctafemina.org/translations/coptic/the-thun...

This poem must have been a major inspiration for a character named The Thunderhead in the Arc of a Scythe sci-fi series.

The poem reads like the private confessions of that character, which made it feel modern to me, but wow it’s actually many centuries old.

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