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Women rejecting the hijab have doomed Iran's brutal regime

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The rumors of the death of the Iranian theocracy unfortunately have been grossly exaggerated.

Just like with everything, Trump backs out last minute after a series of threats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out

Yup, just ask Maduro. He called Trump's bluff and he's doing fine.

It's not called TACO for nothing

Former Iran used to be mini-skirts and it was not that long ago. Could it feasibly or realistically go back to that? Asking for a friend.

It can if Trump topples the regime. This kind of regime doesn't just "walk away".

Topless and miniskirt policy applies on lolita express jet, back home they have to comply to domestic rules.

The reason the Iranian theocracy exists is because the US toppled Iran's democratic government and put the Shah in charge. What makes you believe that regime changing the current government will lead to liberal reforms?

If the US did it before (regime change), couldn't it do it again?

That's not the question, the question is why would the outcome be better.

If at first you don't succeed...

Trump is only effective at toppling the governments of democratic societies who foolishly welcome him in. Seemingly inapplicable to Iran, since as you say the current regime won't walk away.

And the hardest part is ensuring the new regime can stay in place. That would suggest boots on the ground for a while ... and a while could be several decades. I think the question is whether it would be worth the cost and effort. We still have 28K troops in Korea. I think Iran would require more troops.

> Former Iran used to be mini-skirts

You mean just in a few cities like Tehran and only in 60s and 70s?

Yeah Tehran, Shiraz, and Isfahan at least. Not very practical otherwise as it was a fashion thing. I would imagine as other towns grew it would have spread. Only point being they were not killed for it.

I think you need to do some research on it. Secular modernization was forced on Iranian population by pre-revolution rulers. There's in fact records of police tearing off veils and actually killing protesters of veil ban. I'm not saying the current regime is very democratic either, but facts are facts.

Isn’t 90% of the population in Tehran?

Exactly.. it's like claiming the whole US should adopt far left ideology because that's what prevails in New York and Los Angeles.

If you hear on the ground reports it doesn’t look like the islamists are going anywhere.

Yeah it seems the leadership’s response to the Portugal’s been to brutally beat the protesters to death. Tens of thousands of people have been killed.

Reran it and have a working access:

https://archive.ph/HIZ1S

Perhaps this hasn't been tried yet - Lysistrata-style:

https://brownpoliticalreview.org/political-sex-or-lack-there...

standard archive.is workaround not working for me.

The pile of 10,000+ bodies pretty much deems otherwise?

mothers went out with their children knowing their children would be murdered

to get bodies back from the morgue the regime makes the families pay for the bullets used to kill them

US telling protestors they would be covered and then doing nothing was beyond cruel

Imagine if North Korea had internet access (or even just electricity)

In many interviews people keep saying that in Islamic countries the Hijab is totally optional, but that the woman want to wear it.

Now we're finding out the woman that don't want to wear it get shot.

they want to wear it because they dont want to get shot or arrested and tortured

Not true, I’ve lived in middle eastern countries where it’s not as draconian and it’s definitely not mostly involuntary.

perhaps they want to wear because they dont want those slightly better consequences?

> as draconian

So its draconian, just not "as draconian".

You’re assuming what culturally specific women want.

In most muslim-majority secular countries it's more up to tradition than religion. You won't find wearing hijab that common in Albania, Kosovo, Indonesia or many of the central asian stans.

In Turkey or Jordan you will often see hijabs, but most women don't wear it.

Hell, most muslim women in western countries do not wear it.

Thus, I don't know what kind of data backs such comments.

Of course many like wearing it. As a muslim female friend of mine says "it's very convenient when you don't have time/energy to do your hair to just wear an hijab". My female, christian, SO liked wearing the hijab too in muslim countries (even in those were it's not common) because she finds them fashionable.

But I don't think women want to have to wear it and given the choice it seems clear most don't.

Many times it is not "optional" within a family or even in public. Men in those countries often enforce this.

Overgeneralisations like these are just lazy, and most importantly not helpful. There are a lot of predominantly Muslim regions in the world. Reducing all of them to the Iranian regime is like concluding Christian women all wear string Tangas because that’s what you’ve seen on a beach in Brazil.

I know this is just a troll. Nevertheless: Iran was always known to enforce some level of covering a woman’s hair. There are other Islamic countries that do so, some more strictly then it has been the case in Iran. And there are plenty which don‘t, like Egypt, Turkey or Marocco.

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