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I would call strong opposition to Musk a democratic responsibility, not a derangement. We are talking about a guy with a fondness for the far right and throwing Nazi salutes, and whose destruction of USAID had, by November 2025, resulted in “hundreds of thousands of deaths”. [1] Those, of course, are just a couple of examples.

If strong opposition to that kind of evil makes me deranged, count me in.

1: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...

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Sure, but that is not a defence against the claim that his journalistic coverage is biased.

I strongly oppose the constant slander and the litany of lies partisan commenters post about Musk.

You don't get to throw out "fondness for throwing Nazi salutes" slander, based on an hoax immediately debunked at the time, and then act like you're doing democracy a favor. Try to stick to the facts.

Regarding the journalist discussed here, I had a look at his X account, and he posted no less than 20 posts attacking Tesla and Musk in just the last day. It's virtually all he posts, and it indeed appears deranged. The flagged comment was fair enough.

> based on an hoax immediately debunked at the time

We've all seen the video, there is no hoax and no doubt that he was doing a nazi salute, with some level of "humor" defense.

Seriously what is up with all the Electrical n apologists? Dude's a nazi. Weaseled his way into everything digitally related to the American government and should be treated like foreign intelligence agent. He has oversold and under-delivered everything he has bought from other people to claim for himself. Weird he's got so many dickriders on HN.

> You don't get to throw out "fondness for throwing Nazi salutes" slander, based on an hoax immediately debunked at the time, and then act like you're doing democracy a favor.

Just to clarify. This is the video context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VfYjPzj1Xw

Are you claiming that this is not an accurate depiction of what happened on stage? (That is the video is in some form fake. A deep fake, or special effects, or an Elon impersonator or whatever.)

Or are you claiming that the gesture seen is not a nazi salute?

Yes, "nazi salute" is obviously not an accurate description of the gesture Musk performed before saying "my heart goes out to you".

Here's a thought experiment for you.

If I stuck my middle finger up at you while saying "my heart goes out to you", what would you think?

Probably not that you support the Nazi regime, as that would be a ridiculous thing to think.

Particularly so if a year before you visited Auschwitz and stated it was "tragic that humans could do this to other humans", and told us how you attended a Hebrew preschool and have a lot of Jewish friends.

I didn't ask you what you wouldn't think. I asked you what you would think.

Did you even read the article you sent? It’s all based on estimates.

It is consensus seeking derangement at best

An article about a counterfactual (how many people would have survived had aid continued as before) can only be based on estimates, not real world data, yes, by its very nature. You can say the estimates are wrong, or that the source isn't trustworthy, maybe. But providing estimates for counterfactuals is not in any way illegitimate.

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