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This happened in 2019. The wheels of justice turn very slowly.

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Justice delayed is justice denied.

Two people for six years in that industry they probably lost a lot more than $600k.

I doubt they were out of work for that whole time.

They were held for a total of 20 hours.

Not relevant to the reputational damage which is particularly punishing in their line of work.

I wonder how much stigma contractors carry for being successful at filing lawsuits, no matter how legitimate the claim.

What reputational damage?

Particularly not with the free advertising they got from this.

Certainly the wheels of civil suits do.

My state, like many, defines a speedy criminal trail as the trial commencing any time within 5 years of being charged...

In Canada there was a big court case in 2016 over the civil right of "right to a speedy trial" where the courts said it had to be within 18 months for charges in provincial courts, which is where most crime ends up. During COVID there was a giant backlog of trials created and a criminal lawyer I know told me half of her clients in recent years got their cases stayed (thrown out) because of this backlog. This apparently happened all over the country and included tons people who were charged for violent crimes.

https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/16057/i...

Only applies when it’s the state vs you. Whether a crime or a parking ticket (the real kind, not the extrajudicial “administrative penalties” they’re all moving to)

If you want to sue someone in Canada, it can still take years.

I'd call that working as intended. The government is the one who shut down the courts. They could have implemented safety precautions and staffed up to handle the backlog.

Agreed, but it is not a well known fact sadly.

Do you have a source for that? I can't find anything online about a state with a definition that long.

The definition isn't that long. The definition is usually something like 1 year at the state level. But then the rules allow large chunks of time to be excluded from that 1 year requirement, like time waiting for a court doctor to declare someone competent, finding a witness, etc. In all my jury duty selections, the crime was committed 2-3 years before the trial commenced.

When they turn this slowly it's disingenuous to call it justice. Spending 10% of your adult life locked in legal battles is a ridiculous price to pay for something that should be resolved in under a year.

They weren't "locked in a legal battle". Their criminal charges were dismissed within 6 months of the incident happening. What resolved recently was a civil suit they themselves brought for damages from defamation and emotional distress.

Yes, civil suits are also legal battles. There's no reason it should have taken more than a year to resolve.

By the way, I dont know who you are quoting as that is not my exact wording.

I think this is the kind of thing that sounds reasonable until the first time you've sued someone. Resolution in one year? Don't even fantasize about it.

"We" (here in W.Australia) got sued by a US company for doing math once - took six years of legal back and forth to "win", eight years out of people's lives from disruption, and essentially destroyed a company that innovated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LizardTech,_Inc._v._Earth_Reso....

I don't think these are crazy timelines for civil litigation here. I mean, is it worth criticizing? I guess, sure. But: civil suits take for-ev-er. A case is an indeterminate but fairly large number of steps, each of which includes 1d8+4 month next check-in date.

I'm not disagreeing on the time frame, just bitching about the impact and the cold truth that often no one wins (save for lawyers).

No, of course, believe me I understand viscerally.

I'd like to see an hour-by-hour breakdown of what labor is actually being done, by which judges, lawyers and clerks, during the course of a 6 year trial, and see how much it adds up to. I wonder if it would even amount to a single, cumulative person-month of work?

I assure you they are doing a shitload of work. They're just not doing it on your case.

The cases to judge and cases to lawyer (government side anyways) is extremely high. I think this is actually a negative a creates waste through context switching with all the delays. Nobody wants to pay to appropriately staff the court system. And frankly they waste money on fancy ornate buildings when they could make them much more plain and efficient.

Except for the wealthy, who can dial it up or down

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