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Video is great, came up in my youtube recommendation cycle last week.

Honestly one of the better things youtube has pitched to me, the quality/relevance of the rest of its recommendations have been nose diving over the last year (or so it feels).

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100% anecdata, but I think YouTube nudges your ad profile towards some averaged out cosign product of everyone’s ad profile at regular intervals.

I’ll discover something new, then get pushed a ton of things related to it, which is really good! After a very long break of ~4 years, I started playing oldschool RuneScape again, and that interest weaved its way into my recommended feed perfectly for a month. Felt like I was picking up where I left off, new folks making OSRS video essays, folks I remembered from a long time ago that I had unsubscribed from, exactly what I want out of an algorithmic feed when I’m freshly into something.

Then BAM, gaming content. Some sort of threshold gets hit and now I’m being pushed hyper popular gaming content regardless of RuneScape-y-ness. There’s still a nudge towards it, but I got placed in some “gaming” cohort and it totally crowds out my recommended feed. I don’t really do much gaming outside of this stupid old MMO!

All that’s to say: it might have been a year since you last had one of these inflection points where YouTube will let your ad profile exist as an outlier for a bit.

100%. I've always used youtube on desktop (connected to the TV usually), and it seems to me they're just making all versions of youtube into a mobile app optimized for shorts type content. Recommendations are hugely influenced by what you watched very recently. What used to be related videos in the side panel of the player is now just the home page again, but vertical. Even just generating a recommendation from "Whatever (part 2)" to "Whatever (part 3)" is hit or miss now. Some of the recommendations are actually quite good, but at least for the way I like to watch, it's only getting worse over time. The category labels on the home page are also pretty telling - horrible labels (e.g. I watch some cooking/recipe videos and the label will be "Baking sheets" or something like that), plus it emphasizes the recency bias when it shows 5 categories that are basically just the same content with different labels and forgets what I've always liked watching.

For me my home page is now 95% videos I've already watched. The side bar is the only reliable source of new content. Until recently I had no subscriptions but that never used to matter. I had to subscribe to Patrick Boyle in solidarity when they demonetized his Epstein video.

> Recommendations are hugely influenced by what you watched very recently.

Ah, well, I don't know that I fully agree.

I watch channels that are people building things, repairing tools, or goofing around in an easy-going way without a lot of product placement or sponsored content.

And yet, all of the recommendations I get are either sponsored unboxing videos with AI voiceovers or click-baity channels with ugly reaction faces in the video thumbnails. I guess those probably make more money for Google.

I suspect ad revenue isn't good for maker/hacker type videos. I watch a lot of woodworking and cnc projects, and I mostly get the kind of recommendations you're talking about

One of the issues of YouTube is there is "discovery" vs "what I want to watch". https://www.youtube.com is ok for discovery and pulls a lot of the "this is what I've subscribed to" in there too. Doing a subscribe to channels that give you consistent media that you want to watch and then going to https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions as the "this is where I want to be when on YouTube" gives a completely different experience.

(I'm also quite free with the "don't recommend this channel to me" option if something disappoints me)

The way Youtube (and I've started to notice in other platforms) does recommendations, for every 5+ that are nonsense, I'll get one I like. Youtube will then start showing me more of that video's channel content and similar channels for a week or so, and then it'll just stop showing any of it to me quite randomly. Sometimes it's when I click on that random recommendation out of 5 from a different topic.

then the cycle starts again. sometimes youtube brings the content back and sometimes i really need to hunt for it.

it's almost like they base interests into like a top 3 or so list and if the third favorite one cycles out a lot (however they deem it is being cycled out) they'll stop recommending or otherwise showing it to me.

"Sign in to confirm your not a bot"...gone.

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