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Really, you're going to go with "papers, please" ?

ICE is on record of requesting ID from _children_. I don't know if you're a parent, but my kids didn't carry ID until they were nearly adults. That's okay, though, because they're white. I don't like bringing race into this, but we're not seeing ICE ask white people for their passports.

I don't have a problem weeding out dangerous criminals, but flagging someone who had a parking ticket a decade ago is wrong. Additionally, removing TPS from groups and then subsequently deporting them up is wrong. Arresting individuals and deporting them when they are going through the proper legal avenues to become citizens is wrong.

How soon until other "undesirables" are targeted?

Did you carry proof of citizenship as a child? Do you carry it today? I don't, as my license is not a "real id" yet. They could scoop me up as I walk into Home Depot and send me off to god knows where tomorrow.

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> Did you carry proof of citizenship as a child? Do you carry it today? I don't, as my license is not a "real id" yet.

Where I'm from, I am legally required to have proof of ID with me all the time. So basically used to never leaving home without it.

No, going back to what you're saying: why is it wrong to deport somebody that came to the US illegally? Just because they were good citizens is it OK to be forgiven for crossing the border illegally? How does that make any sense?

And speaking about TPS, you know what the T stands for, right?

> Where I'm from, I am legally required to have proof of ID with me all the time. So basically used to never leaving home without it.

Yes, I too have proof of ID. It does not prove that I am a citizen. I can also tell you that children in the USA do not carry ID.

> No, going back to what you're saying: why is it wrong to deport somebody that came to the US illegally?

If they were brought here as young children, yes, it's wrong -- they're being punished for the actions of their parents.

> And speaking about TPS, you know what the T stands for, right?

Of course. Let's look at Somalia, who recently had their temporary protected status designation revoked. Their home country is currently involved in a civil war, and the US government simultaneously lists Somalia as "Level 4: Do Not Travel". There's a good chance that we're sending these people to their deaths. You are okay with this?

> Yes, I too have proof of ID. It does not prove that I am a citizen. I can also tell you that children in the USA do not carry ID.

I guess here is the misunderstanding. I cannot get an ID without being a citizen.

Citizenship is a Federal thing, but our IDs are provided by the State.

You also didn't answer my question about us likely sending Somalis off to their deaths.

> You also didn't answer my question about us likely sending Somalis off to their deaths.

I did not answer it because it is a "might", not a certain thing. Also, take into account the fact that they knew it was a temporary thing when they came to the US. Now, knowing one possible outcome, they could emigrate to a third country that is willing to receive them.

You don't see the disparity over the state department saying "Do not go to Somalia, it is unsafe", yet also saying "The need for TPS has passed, it is safe to return to Somalia" ?

The State Department issues warnings for US citizens. It does not care if othet nationalities go there.

And speaking of it is safe to return there, I am not familiar with what happens when the TPS status is removed, but I think it only means they’re no longer welcome in the US, not necessarily being deported to Somalia the next day. So I don’t see any contradiction.

You're being obtuse.

Their TPS status was abruptly revoked and they were given two months to find another country to reside in or they will be deported to Somalia. Two months! Do you think that you could find another country to reside in and handle all of the legal arrangements within that short of a time frame?

I sincerely hope that you never find yourself in such a situation.

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