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> providers install their own Glass Fiber modem

It's the same in the US. The ISP fiber network falls inside their security boundary in my experience - you can't BYOD. They install a modem (these days often including an integrated router, switch, and AP) and you receive either ethernet or wifi from them.

I think the only major change in that regard has been that coaxial cable providers here will often let you bring your own docsis modem these days.

I never found any of this concerning until quite recently. With the advent of ISPs providing public wifi service out of consumer endpoints as well as wifi based radar I'm no longer comfortable having vendor controlled wireless equipment in my home.

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I don’t have fiber access, but at least for cable, my provider (formerly Kabel Deutschland, now Vodafone) allows me to put the modem/router into "modem only" mode, which then allows me to use my own router. Outside of Fritzbox (which is again a whole integrated thing; with questionable features) there aren’t many DOCSIS modems freely available, and the no-name china devices don’t seem much better than my Vodafone Box.

> allows me to put the modem/router into "modem only" mode, which then allows me to use my own router.

Telekom Speedports also have a modem only mode (the ones for non-fiber, dunno about the ones for fiber, but it looked like those are only modems and not a router as well). I don't make use of it since I manage the wifi for my family, but I do know it exists.

In the U.K. you get a PON which gives you a cat5 gig or mgig port, you then connect your router and pppoe to your ISP. Most ISPs offer a managed router but the ISPs I’ve chosen have always allowed the pppoe option.

Same thing here except when they last upgraded the ONT I had to turn PPPoE off - it's just plain old ethernet service now. But the ONT seems to be performing the equivalent authentication role from what I was able to gather by shoulder surfing the tech.

They had to start offering routers that integrate the ONT because the common consumer gear is 1G or 2.5G ethernet but they sell up to 10G service here.

US ftth in my experience (att + gfiber) are ONT and router/wap as separate boxes and you are free to byo routerbox but have to use their ONT.

Supposedly some of the major US providers (at least AT&T) have dropped a bunch of the obnoxious, ineffectual security stuff in the XGS-PON networks. There are plenty of reports online of people quite successfully running an entirely third-party stacks using adorable SFP+-format ONTs without anything that would credibly be called hacking.

I have fiber in the US with just a plain ONT. Still CGNAT but I control my network. My former cable ISP permitted customer modems. It is becoming a challenge to find cable modems without router+wifi.

Faraday fabric is inexpensive, you can use ethernet to your own router and wrap the isp's in it.

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