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National Guard activated in Minneapolis after Border Patrol agent kills man

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The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.

> In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.

Without in any way excusing the clear and obvious excess of the US DHS and ICE here, you should at least read various Coroner's findings in respect of Australian police interactions with indigenous Australians.

eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inqu...

Various police forces around the globe, in Australia, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere have their subgroups with encrypted chat accounts detailing at length their contempt for various others .. women, particular minorities and ethnicities, etc.

They often exchange grooming notes on provoking "officer-induced jeopardy" .. how to escalate a situation into what passes for "justified homicide" or least a chance to put the boot in.

> The American discourse around these killings are actually insane.

The only insanity is in the defence of the killing(s).

On the most recent event, a reduced-speed video showing one agent (centre, bent over at beginning) removing the victim's firearm from his waistband, then a second agent (left) waiting for the first to get clear, and then pulling his pistol (video stops before any shooting):

* https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647

* https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647

The actual shooting of the victim; view discretion advised:

* https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660

* https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660

Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047

How soon before this article too gets flagged and removed? Here is its link for posterity:

https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-2...

Well it looks like it's time to say bye-bye to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms in the US, right?

NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.

The 2A was only meant to apply to Republicans, obviously.

I’m not sure how many people realize this, but ICE is the buildup for trump to hold power by deploying soldiers ahead of time. I expect we will see them deployed at the election sites of democratic cities in November.

They’re failing to control a single mid-sized city, I’m not sure how they would maintain control over half the country. They don’t have the numbers, and are widely hated.

If you want to hold on to the house and senate you don’t need to maintain control - you just need to disrupt the elections of 10 to 20 key cities, and they have the numbers for that.

> they have the numbers for that

Maybe, but right now they’re trying for 1 and can’t do it. Not sure where they are hiding 10x or 20x the troops.

The intention is disruption, they don’t care about control. They are disrupting lives in several cities.

They are disrupting lives, but elections? Imagine if the election was held today in Minneapolis, how do you think the vote would go? Would people be afraid to vote, or would it be the largest turnout the city has ever seen?

That's a blue state being targeted for revenge and for practice and so they can spin stories for their voters in other states. They'd probably target blue cities in swing states if they wanted to impact votes.

They have people who are experts in this. Before the latest wave of open fascism, many of the rising stars in the Republican party where people who were experts at removing people with Democrat sounding names off voter registration databases shortly before elections.

They have the data to target this effectively if they want to do it.

I agree that’s their plan. But that plan is currently failing, and it’s not looking like they’re learning anything from it.

How is their plan failing?

Fox viewers are being told that violent terrorists are trying to murder ICE to protect criminal Somalis.

They have even better data on what lies resonate with their base to excuse the next killing.

How does this not advance their agenda?

Their plan is failing because their popularity numbers are dropping constantly, and they are convincing people to get out and organize and protest. Like, do you actually see any successes here? They’ve managed to turn “Abolish ICE” from a fringe left wing opinion, to the mainstream centrist position.

Like, I get that they’re doing this big show of force. But they’re losing. They are not accomplishing any of their goals, and the longer this goes on, the more the population is turning against them, and the less and less they will be able to accomplish their goals anywhere. Minnesota is not afraid of them, and they’re teaching the rest of the country not to fear them either.

They don't need to maintain control. Elections are close and voters are geographically polarized.

Reduce turnout in cities in four or five swing states and that can be enough to flip an election. If you've got ICE just detaining random non-white people near polling places based on the theory put forward in Noem v Vasquez Perdomo, how many nonwhite citizens who would be solid voters for the democrats just decide to stay at home rather than go to the polls?

It is possible that this approach sparks a reaction and backfires. But I'm not sure that's a guarantee.

> It is possible that this approach sparks a reaction and backfires.

Not only is that possible, but it is actively happing as we speak.

The massive public outcry against ICE would likely cause that to backfire. Look at the extent of protesting in Minneapolis. People aren't afraid of ICE, putting them at polling stations would intensify the outrage against them, and fire up the opposition. They're

In an all out fight ICE vs We The People (with AR-15 + bump stocks), I bet everything on the people.

My two cents. Trump likes the idea that in the Ukraine they can't hold elections when they are at war as per their constitution. Even though the US doesn't have such a thing, it's not going to deter Trump from creating a "situation" where he can declare a marshall law event of some sort to "postpone" elections, indefinitely. If Americans think that there are going to be midterms, or even a next presidential election, better get ready!

More tinder for the fire, waiting for a spark.

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