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No, the Wine developers refuse to accept contributions from ReactOS developers or even people who have seen ReactOS code[0]. So any improvements go one way only.

[0] https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/wikis/Clean-Room-Guide... (last "Don't" entry)

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So they don't use LLMs to help code at all?

LLMs have likely seen the leaked Windows source code lets be honest...

Of course not. You would be surprised how many developers don't even consider using an LLM in their workflow, myself included. Can't wait for this hype to end.

from what i have experienced in the last couple of weeks, it is not going to. There is a new paradigm.

Oh it will.

Firstly, neither OpenAI nor Anthropic is profitable, by a wide margin — investors are going to get impatient at some point.

Secondly, people that aren't enthusiastic about this whole thing are already experiencing something of an AI fatigue with all the AI features violently shoved into them by most software products they use. Being involuntarily subjected to slop in various online spaces can't be good either.

Thirdly, remember NFTs? So many people swore they were The Future™... until they weren't. But at least in that case it was much more obvious how stupid the whole idea is. The scale of the hype was also several orders of magnitude less.

Google can run the models profitable, thanks to their custom tpus. The rest? No idea

Google and Meta can both subsidize their AI divisions with their ad money.

That too, but I think someone said that Google AI cost is true costs. Unlike others.

My PC can give decent code recommendations locally, not relying on anything in the cloud.

Even if all major provides close down, it doesn't remove what's already out there. Glm / minimax / deepseek / gpt-oss may not be at the same level as current frontier, but you can download them and they're still very capable.

Crazy stupid ideas like cars with only touchscreens have still taken a decade to come in and then to get considered ill-advised even though anyone driving a car could tell how bad of an interface it is. We are still not fully out through the other side.

So while OpenAI or Anthropic are maybe not profitable today, they've got at least 5 years to figure it out. And there is already talk of inserting ads into the "chat", but hopefully that does not work!

But really, LLMs are useful (yes, sometimes only in appearance, but sometimes for real), and with that, there will continue to be investment into them until they are made profitable.

new != good

therefore

new != better

Fascinating. Direct link to upstream source: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50464#c6

You are saying that ReactOS doesn't use clean room code? Source?

I believe the integrity of ReactOS's clean room reverse engineering has been called into question in the past when it was found that there were some header or code files with sections that matched leaked Windows Server 2003 code or something like that. Can't recall for sure though.

The article mentions this:

"In January 2006, concerns grew about contributors having access to leaked Windows source code and possibly using this leaked source code in their contributions. In response, Steven Edwards strengthened the project’s intellectual property policy and the project made the difficult decision to audit the existing source code and temporarily freeze contributions."

The allegations have been taken seriously and since then the procedure for accepting contributions include measures to prevent such further events from occurring. If you or anyone else happen to have any plausible suspicion, then please report it to the ReactOS team, otherwise keeping alive this kind of vague and uncertain connection between some Windows code leakage and ReactOS fits the very definition of FUD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt Please stop.

They posted their source for their claim (which is different than yours). Click and read it.

I read it, and "not appropriate for Wine" was a non-answer, so I followed the footnote link and got to the same discussion:

https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50464#c6

Which isn't really a discussion, it just ends with the same question "why not?".

I'm saying nothing, i posted the link of the Wine developers claim for why not accepting contributions by ReactOS developers since the post i replied to wrote that ReactOS contributed to Wine.

It's common anti-ReactOS slander.

I keep seeing it pop up over the years. Never substantiated.

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