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Shuttleworth is sick of Ubuntu features being torn apart by critics before they’re ready.

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Well maybe if Shuttleworth didn't require a crap interface and built in ads on the desktop and making smartass comments when challenged about it, they wouldn't be torn apart by critics.

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Maybe if we didn't have "critics" like you that are quick to rant and diss other people work while not doing anything themselves, highly-visible projects wouldn't have this problem and wouldn't require such steps.

I lead a fairly successful open-source project and I'm on the receiving end of this attitude of entitlement as well.

People don't realize how much work goes into developing of software and when you give it away for free, with source-code, it's very demoralizing to have non-constructive, abusive comments like the above ("crap interface" ?).

I'm sure Ubuntu, being vastly more popular and visible, receives vastly more "constructive criticism".

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>it's very demoralizing to have non-constructive, abusive comments like the above ("crap interface" )?

I'm sorry, compared to standard GNOME (v2, v3 can join Unity on the junkpile IMAO) or KDE, Unity is crap, and I am hardly alone in that opinion.

Perhaps certain open source developers just suck at taking any kind of criticism? That's sure what these moves feel like.

I would bet large sums of money we're going to see something distasteful come of this, along the lines of further intrusive desktop advertising ala Amazon Lens.

Maybe if you would start listening to the community more when there's a large outcry (amazon lens, unity, gnome 3, etc etc etc) there would be fewer people who feel they are "entitled" to a desktop experience that doesn't suck!

Can you explain in great details questioning the design choices made by Unity and how it is crap. I like both Unity and Gnome 3.

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/unity.html

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3.html

Same guy, takes the words out of my mouth in both cases.

Worth mentioning is that they have, admittedly, made a great deal of progress. Unity isn't the buggy mess that it was back a couple of major releases ago, which renders moot a good deal of the author's complaints.

I could still do without the mandatory 3d acceleration (which wouldn't be so bad if they would leave Unity 2D alone but nope, they're killing that off.....) and the full screen , space wasting interface. I am on a desktop, not a netbook. Optimize accordingly, please.

Unity is a fine interface for smaller screens and mobile devices. Not so much for the desktop.

Thanks, one of the biggest problems with Gnome 3 is that there is not even one distribution that actively promotes Gnome 3, get rid of kinks, themes it, and make it look like modern DE/OS. Fedora is a lot of work, Arch Linux believes in KISS. On the other hand Ubuntu does everything for you.

It seems weird to me that power users need so much GUI support. I find Gnome 3 very convenient. If I need to launch a program, I press the super key, start typing the name, and press enter. It's like using IDO mode in Emacs.

As far as I'm concerned, most of the stuff they removed was just noise.

There are a couple things I dislike about Gnome 3 though. There doesn't seem to be an obvious way to set the Date/Time format. Also, it's annoying that you have to install the Gnome Tweak Tool to set things like focus follows mouse, instead of it just being part of the Gnome settings.

But these are pretty minor things.

Oh, right the guy who said: "Unity 3D behaves spectacularly on all tested hardware, including old and new graphics cards. The performance is quite good, the responsiveness is great, and you even get reduced power consumption."

Yet it somehow causes 10fps+ drops in virtualization, and is nigh unusable on older hardware (yes yes anecdotal and meaningless i'm sure).

Again, I wouldn't care if they would have just left 2d alone.

I for one am getting very tired of being told how I should be using my computer.

See, right there, that's perfect. Concrete examples of stuff that's wrong and what they could do better. Great comment.

When you say thinks like Unity is a pile of crap, i look at the pile of crap a neighbor dog left on the lawn and think that would never display emacs.

Also, no gun to your head. run whatever you like man. I'm only engaging you because you're kind of being a jackass. I think you have something useful contribute, because you're clearly passionate about Unity. It's just hard to get you to say exactly what you mean.

>Also, no gun to your head. run whatever you like man. I'm only engaging you because you're kind of being a jackass.

I'm being a jackass because frankly I am tired of Canonical's shit. I can sort of forgive unity, okay, fine, ignoring what your users want in a UI seems to be the in thing nowadays (c.f. Microsoft, Gnome).

The Amazon lens was a bridge too far. I don't care if it's opt out - any form of advertising in a core OS component should be optin, not the other way around!

What put the final nail in the coffin for me was Shuttleworth's flippant response to those concerns.

And now with this whole "developed in secret" thing, the coffin reaches 5 feet under. As far as I can tell, Ubuntu's only real asset now is popularity. (And even that's declining, if the Distrowatch numbers mean anything...)

  Rank	Distribution	H.P.D*
  1	Mint	        3403
  2	Mageia	        2462
  3	Ubuntu	        2042
  4	Fedora	        1522
  5	openSUSE	1311

If they keep going out of their way to make their users feel like they don't matter, that final advantage will also disappear.

I like both Unity and integrated search allowing me to easily access whatever I'm looking for whether it's locally or on Google Docs/Drive. It's possible that I'm an outlier but I don't think that's the case.

I don't think people who routinely use Gmail, Flickr, Facebook, Dropbox, or virtually any other online service care deeply about a few searches being anonymously forwarded to Amazon.

>I'm sorry, compared to standard GNOME or KDE, Unity is crap, and I am hardly alone in that opinion.

Missing the point completely.

The parent was pretty clear about "non-constructive, abusive" being the issue, not the argument for or against Unity you're trying to frame.

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