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Ask HN: Burned out from tech, what else is there?

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I’ve hit a point after working as a dev in SV for about 10 years where I just don’t feel interested in the space anymore. It’s almost impossible for me to motivate myself to care about whatever it is I’m doing at work, and I’m just irritated by people around me at work. I’ve switched companies a few times thinking that it was just environment, what the company was working on didn’t interest me, etc but always feel this same sense of dread after while at any place I go to which has made me think it’s time to move on to something else.

Has anyone transitioned out of being purely an engineer to something else and found more happiness? I’m ok with moving out of this area and not making as much money

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I'm in a similar boat to you, and it's made me think a lot more about happiness and, I think this is something we may not think too much about, how our life affects our receptiveness to happiness. I'll try to explain what's helped me, and hopefully it can help you too.

There's that old phrase that happiness is a journey, not a destination. It's a state of being, a fleeting emotion. We each have our own unique flavor of happiness, but modern life is about efficiency, reproducible results, one-size fits all. It's led us to seek happiness from external sources like consumption and entertainment, that happiness is our every waking desire being met immediately. We've commodified happiness in these externalities.

What's helped me is to view my life as a garden, crafted to grow what makes me happy. Thoughtfulness, constant learning, whimsy, and slowness are some of the aspects of life that make me happy. These aren't things I do, not something I can buy, these are aspects that I find bring more happiness into my life.

Now, it's my duty to nurture these aspects of life that bring me happiness. I nurture thoughtfulness by protecting time for me to think uninterrupted and reducing compulsivity to respond to everything. I nurture constant learning by ensuring my learning is fueled by curiosity, not this anxiety of self-improvement, and that growth is expansive, not corrective. I nurture whimsy by being a little unnecessary and slightly impractical (hand-writing in a journal rather than in an app, taking small walks through a new place, not focusing on efficiency in everything). And I nurture slowness by designing friction into my life. Using analog tools, longer timelines, giving myself space to breathe through things. I schedule in slowness otherwise it gets crowded out by everything else going on.

I think you may enjoy taking some time to think about what aspects of life you appreciate and bring you happiness, find out how to nurture those aspects, and then craft your life around that. It could shed some light or help bring into perspective what your next steps should be.

Thnks for sharing. Your process is something I have been trying to be more deliberate about, as I value and find happiness by some similar things and I appreciate how you describe it.

I'm in a similar situation, thinking about a paycut or sabbattical just to do something different.

I think it's key to think about what makes you happy and interested in your work, and then find a way to map from your current position to a new position where you can do more of that.

If you're ever unsure or worried about making a move, remember that life is fluid, things change, doors open and close all the time. Taking a step forward into the unknown will light the path to the next step, but taking that first step requires accepting some uncertainty and trusting it will work out anyway.

Take a break for a few months to recalibrate what you want from life. Tech will still be here when you’re ready again. Go travel, use your physical body to walk and hike and lift, have a couple of flings, go to a bar at noon, work a few temp jobs, apply minimalism in your life, learn about something you like, etc.

It's more like "don't lose the opportunity to make money in tech" because everything else without any other qualifications or schooling is not very lucrative. OP is looking for happiness though so any re-calibration will not bring any happiness but just make them able to hop back in the rat race.

This is not advice to just follow for anyone. For some people this may be right, but for others it can be dangerous and a disaster. (At least if there's any chance "months" turns into "years".)

If one is of verge of depression (or similar stuff) then removing routines in your life is in general not going to fix things, but make things worse.

A long vacation or unpaid leave, sure. But quitting work without a concrete plan to return and definite exit point feels dangerous. If one isn't in the right place mentally suddenly you are just stuck at home watching Netflix in a downward spiral, instead of all those exciting things you planned on doing but somehow don't end up doing.

I remember seeing a post from someone on HN that started in this place, then did quit work for a year. It seemed quite obvious reading about that journey that attempting a "reset" just made things worse.

A variant of this advice, that avoids some of the pitfalls, is to take time off to do something structured and specific.

Personally, in between jobs a long time ago, I chose to walk the Henro Trail, an approximately 800-mile Buddhist pilgrimage trail in Shikoku, Japan. To make a long story short, it was the experience of a lifetime.

have you written about your walk anywhere? Would love to hear more

I haven't, but others have written about the same trip. There's lots of material online these days, I'm not really familiar with it but if you google "Shikoku henro pilgrimage", all the hits will be about the same trip I took.

There is a wonderful book, Japanese Pilgrimage by Oliver Statler. He goes into the history of the pilgrimage and of Kobo Daishi, the monk whose path the trail follows. He also discusses his own personal experience walking the trail.

As somebody who was traveling for 6 month in my young years, I can tell you, after arriving at home it just felt like i was a day away.

I thing, like another guy said, teaching might be a good way.

Also, "tech" is big. Maybe a job in industry automation might be something. You nod just see something on a screen, you can touch the result. I'm in this, it is also sometimes stressful, but also very interesting.

Write thoughtless comments on HN etc. etc.

I left technology about a decade ago to join the Military. It was an adjustment, but honestly was the greatest job I've ever had. Compared to tech where everything seemed high stress and had terrible work life balance, my military career was like playing on easy mode. Failure was impossible, no one wanted to stay a minute longer than they had to and everything was already on fire so putting it out was never really that urgent. It sounds crazy but I loved it. Now I am refreshed and pivoting back to tech with a fully funded Master's degree.

If it was the greatest job you ever had, what is the much better job you're aiming to get/got now?

Honestly I would have done 20 years if I had been so lucky. My body had other plans however. I'm trying to get back into the embedded/defense space though. I was a low-level C/C++ programmer back in my early tech days and so it's been pretty neat coming back to it. Absolutely insane that these tiny little chips have so much raw compute power. I used to view under a millisecond as "good enough" but get to tinker with microseconds now.

This sounds a lot like my job (government).

This framing has been helpful for me:

Your workday isn’t a monolith; it is a series of tiny tasks. Try deconstructing your job to identify intrinsic motivation.

Which micro-tasks do you look forward to? Which raise questions you think about and work on in your free time?

Which tasks do you avoid, put off, or find immediately draining?

If you can’t identify interesting tasks, you are likely looking at too high a level of abstraction. Break “working with clients” down until you find the specific unit of work (e.g., “debugging edge cases” vs. “proofreading emails”) that sparks interest.

After sorting tasks into intrinsically motivating or not, look for a role that involves about 20% more time on the interesting micro-tasks and 20% less on the boring ones. If you do this every few years, you drift toward a career you enjoy without needing a radical “reset.”

This approach led me down an unexpected path: law firm attorney -> government attorney -> regulatory consultant -> small-business operator. Now, I am looking at moving to a role that involves at least 20% more time on software development (intrinsically interesting to me) and 20% less time chasing unreliable people (particularly draining to me). I never set out to change my “identity,” but focusing on the micro-tasks I actually enjoy has allowed me to engineer a career I enjoy on a day-to-day basis.

> Which micro-tasks do you look forward to?

I, for one, don't even know anymore. I used to quite enjoy the art of coding and "big picture thinking", for lack of a better description. But now LLMs do the former and everyone and their brother are clamouring to do the latter as they see it as the only way to remain relevant in the software industry, leaving it to be a competition that is not fun to participate in.

Collecting the paycheck, I guess?

I worked in a high paying tech job for about 12 years and got burnt out from it in 2022. Decided to quit and thru-hike the Pacific Crest Trail in 2023 which turned out to be life changing and very rewarding. My old job said I could return to it once I got back from the hike. When I got back they said they were doing cuts and my job was cut. Old me would have spiraled, new me decided to hike the Appalachian Trail. I got back from the AT and took my time finding a job. I was in no rush. After considering finding another field of work I decided to stick with my skills but rather than a cutting edge tech stack I found a job working with a University in their marketing and communications department where I manage their web properties. Its so much easier and a much slower pace. Its not as high paying as my past job, but I think with that pay cut, my responsibilities and stress level were also cut. Hiking those two trails and living in the forest for six months out of the year for two years opened my mind up to so many new things and found that you really don't need much to live a happy, rewarding life.

I sort of did the opposite of you. I hiked the AT before I started my career. The interesting thing is that it has always given me a reserve to draw on when I am feeling burned out or upset like the original poster. I can always say “you know what? I was my happiest when I was living in a tent.” It’s a reminder that I don’t actually need much to be happy, and that thought helps keep me centered on what goals I choose and whether my pursuits are worth it.

Like you, I was also massively burned out on tech after the pandemic. I had a very stressful work experience combined with some family medical crises. I ended up just taking some time off to do some woodworking. I understand that I was in a very privileged position to be able to do this. But after taking my mind off of daily tech worries and focusing on what I enjoyed doing, I found that my thoughts naturally gravitated back toward technology-related work. I have since come to understand that this is what burnout looks like. It’s a nice reminder that just because I hate my job right now does not mean that I want to throw in the towel forever.

The trail provides! Its wild how much of the peace and calm I brought back from the trail into my regular life. I live in a major US city and traffic used to drive me insane. Now, I could care less. I just chill and roll with it. I'm more tolerant of people. I'm never in rush to get anything done or get anywhere quickly. I appreciate all that I have and all that I don't need. It really was just what I needed.

Like you said, definitely privileged to be able to do this, but I also found that a lot of people hiked both the PCT and AT on a shoestring budget and made things work. Maybe not stopping in every town or not going out to eat as often. If a person is dedicated and there to get the experience, money only made it easier, but the experiences were all very much the same I found.

> a lot of people hiked both the PCT and AT on a shoestring budget

Agreed. I was one of those people. My budget for the entire trip, including a fair amount of equipment (I already owned boots), was $2000. This was in 2003. I worked a fairly low paid job (it was the best I could get) after college for two years in order to save up. I ended needing to dip into my credit card, which caused me a lot of stress, seeing as I did not have a job lined up after my return. The damage? $400. At the time that seemed like an unfathomable amount of debt, because I was living on very little.

My partner and I took advantage of a lot of charity on the trail (trail angels, kind strangers, etc). I would love to do something like that again (I’ve always dreamed of hiking the PCT) without such severe financial constraints. Still, there was not a lot of worrying on the trail. The stress did eventually come back after living for a couple years in Boston though!

Oh wow! Yea you did pull off a tight budget. I never expected to rely on strangers for hitches or trail angels for couch surfing, but those are some of my best memories. Its an incredible journey.

You absolutely have to go for the PCT! They don't call it the "Goldilocks Trail" for nothing. It has it all! I live on the east coast, like you, so the AT was like hiking in my own backyard, but the PCT. Absolutely stunning! I can't recommend it enough. I hope to hike the CDT either in sections or as a thru-hike once I hit retirement age (but I have a good amount of time before that day arrives lol my memories will have to carry me until then).

What would it take for you to feel interested in work? I think a lot of people dont really feel interested in their work FWIW.

Have you worked other jobs? Just curious if you're familiar with all the excellent working conditions associated with being a dev or knowledge worker. Doesnt mean you have to be a software dev but

Remote work possible, no physical constraints like (work has been shoved into my space and I have to figure out where to put it before I can continue working, kitchen, warehouse, etc.), no real injury risk, no physical exhaustion, not simply being there to react to customers literally every second of a shift, being able to manage your own time, not having your schedule posted a week at a time with zero control, little to no dress code, more likely that you can take some vacation or sick time and you dont come back to a complete mess you have to clean up before you can be productive, ability to take a break without asking permission.

I could go on-and-on.

I see stuff about becoming a teacher and it just seems insane to me. If people want to do that then great but do not be naive about what some of these other jobs entail.

If you want to try something totally different, check if you have a local volunteer fire department looking for new recruits. I know a few people who eventually transitioned from tech and made it into their full-time career. I think part of the draw is you show up, solve a problem, leave and feel good about it.

firefighting is one of the most stressful and brutal occupations. def not something to just jump into on a whim.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8006668/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6294048/

Teaching is a very fulfilling profession. Organising knowledge and developing learning material on topics you care about is creative and intellectually stimulating, and connecting with your learners gives it a human component that is often missing in dev roles. Some teaching jobs are even relatively well-paid...

Love this and I try to do this on the side and it gives much joy!

I went through the exact same thing as you, and I needed some time to explore different ways of living. I tried being a drone pilot, a kayak guide, and a paddleboard instructor and learned a lot in the process.

After those forays I designed and built a trailered coffee from scratch and now I run it on a public park that overlooks the ocean.

I am more fulfilled than ever, I can pay my bills, and I get to do WAY more "real" engineering than the bureaucracy of my past life at FAANG ever allowed for.

Thanks for your positive story. How were your finances before you got off the rat race? Were you quite comfortable for a risky situation or you just risked it and it worked out?

I was in an extremely good spot financially when I quit (years of runway) due to living well below my paycheck for years of working at FAANG.

I was terrified to do so, but the only alternative I could see at the time was killing myself if I had to continue as is (lots of mental illness prior to and greatly exacerbated by my time in tech).

It is the biggest leap of faith I have ever taken, and I do not have a big appetite for financial risk.

This very closely resembles my own experience, right down to the timeline.

I don't have an answer, but just seeing this thread has been cathartic for me.

Some of the options I'm considering (all speculative):

- It's okay to be a "hired gun" and switch companies every few years just to ensure you stay interested. Some people's minds are stimulated by novelty and learning; that's not a bad thing! In fact some of the engineers I most respect work as consultants not traditional employees.

- Try working at a more "stodgy" company. Your average Fortune 500 employs more developers than most unicorns and is probably a decade behind the curve in terms of technology-- maybe you can go to one of those, take it easy, and be a hero.

- If it's an option financially, "hire yourself" for a few months to go do a passion project-- hobbyist app? major OSS improvement? creative endeavor?-- and see how it feels.

Haha, I hit something similar after 12 years, just didn’t care anymore, and the idea of another sprint planning meeting made me nauseous. Jumped into product for a while thinking proximity to decision-making would help. It didn’t. Just more meetings, more politics.

What helped wasn’t the role shift, but dialing the intensity way down. Took a year doing part-time contract work, no Jira tickets. I know a few folks who leaned into teaching, some into small business stuff—bike repair, roasting coffee, etc. None of them are making FAANG money, but they seem… less fried.

If you’ve got savings and no urgent obligations, might be worth treating this as a decompression window instead of a pivot. Let your brain deflate a bit before deciding what’s next.

When I reached this point, I left to start my own company. Build something that would actually be mine.

Though obviously that's easier said than done.

In tech or a totally different domain?

It's going to be a software company, yeah.

I did engineering for 7 years and then burned out of that and then did tech management for another 8. I’m all burnt out of that as well and honestly didn’t enjoy the last 15 years. I’ve been looking, there’s nothing even remotely close to the pay in other industries. My specification were to be able to work mostly alone and work hard for a low six figures but I can’t find a single thing that fits that bill.

I do know a guy in Florida that left tech to take people on manatee tours. He says he works 5-6 hours a day and makes more than $100k a year. I went on one of his tours, it’s a nice easy job, paddling for 2-3 2 hour sessions per day in nice warm weather.

Keep doing tech work but work for more meaningful organizations. Look into STEM and science and health fields that need help with their technology. Shifting your career away from tech is a massive mistake. You need to shop your skills to organizations that are more meaningful to you. Non-tech science and health companies and orgs won't pay as well as pure tech or other fields but you get the satisfaction of knowing that your work changes the world for a positive benefit and possibly saves lives

Just my two cents: don't chase happiness through work. It rarely works out that way. Work to live, don't live to work. I know it sounds a bit cheesy, but give it a try and see how it feels.

If you’ve got 30 minutes, I recommend checking out the first half of this podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-to-detach-from-wor...

Look for IT positions in small/medium-sized companies doing other things than creating products for other startups,or similar. You'll be solving real problems for people who are experiencing them, and most important thing to look out for is what the IT culture is beforehand, and how the rest of the company treats them. If you manage to find something where all of those are OK, they're a dream for a programmer, as you can solve problems the way you see fit, as long as you actually solve the real problems.

Strongly agree with this. I actually kind of wish I could go back to SMB IT (well, I mean I can, but I'm ~retired) with the knowledge I now have; I would've done things very differently/better. If it's small enough, you'll find yourself taking on all sorts of interesting facilities work; it can be pretty fun not knowing what the work day will be like. Some days I would paint, other days I'd be cursing at Active Directory, other days I would be working on the security system, other days I would be running new cables, and sometimes I'd just sit around and play video games. I left IT to do on-call overnight/weekend work in B2B tech support with the same company, where my role upgraded to sleeping through my shift.

I've burned out in the past, and while it was mostly related to my personal life it ended up spilling over to work too, even though the job was great. I felt like I needed to get away from software and took a sabbatical, during which for the first 3 months I couldn't even think about code. I was climbing, hiking, reading, etc.

Thought I wouldn't come back for a sec. Then gradually the spark came back, I built a side project here, side project there, and ended up taking a position that paid a lot less but where the first few months I was just getting the house in order and knew exactly what to do (i.e. it wasn't challenging or at the edge of my skillset). Basically they had a mess going on and I was hired to fix it and everything was so clear to me that it just flowed. Gradually I got excited, started taking on ambitious projects inside the company that did challenge me and teach me stuff, and now I've quit to start my own company.

Basically I'm just one data point but at least for me: a) the sabbatical really helped b) I thought it'd be impossible to come back, that I'd be rusty etc but as long as you do it gradually it usually turns out ok (you have 10 years of experience in SV so you'll be fine). c) if the spark doesn't come back well then probably you've found yourself happy doing something else and that's just as good.

For a few years I switched to supporting medical research, which made me feel good. The tech BS sadly penetrated there after a few years too which ended that for me.

Why are you asking HN? Do you have anyone you know in your personal life you can talk to? Family or friends? Hopefully someone you know well can give you some honest feedback and help you figure out what would be a better fit for you. I don't see how a bunch of strangers on HN could possibly help seeing as they know nothing about you and totally lack context.

IMHO, sometimes strangers can offer advice without bias, whereas those closest to you cannot.

It’s 2026, why bother asking people when AI exists. /s

On a more serious note, there’s nothing wrong in asking strangers something like this. Plus asking here doesn’t preclude the possibility of also asking to friends and family.

Sometimes anonymous strangers in similar situations help more than either:

1) close colleagues you might not want to be vulnerable towards, or

2) people you are close to and feel vulnerable to you, but do not have similar career trajectories or experiences.

There is a reason why "communities of practice" have always existed, and HN kind-of-sort-of happens to be one.

Maybe they are looking for people who've experienced transitioning from tech to something else. Even if they know lots of supportive people in real life, it's possible none of those people may have gone through this process.

Volunteer at a local animal sanctuary to spend time with non-human individuals. It is refreshing, meaningful and also fulfilling.

If you want to use your hands and collaborate with humans a lot in person, the trades seem to be quite exciting right now. Salaries are also good — A good plumber in our area makes nearly $800/hr, and that's not touching what the datacenter plumbing folks are making.

Where is that?

Plumber makes $800/hr, or bills you are $800/hr?

That's still quite good either way, but OP should understand that even in most expensive US cities a journeyman plumber is typically pulling at most like $150k-$200k without doing significant overtime. And you won't get there until 5++ years on the job.

So think more like $100/hr of actual compensation on the higher end.

Not a bad gig at all. But that $800 number comes with a lot of caveats.

Did you really mean 800/hr? Or is that a typo for 80/hr?

The more important question is: How many hours?

My side gig pays around that, but there aren't many hours involved it in, and there isn't a good opportunity to find more hours, so it isn't all that much money at the end of the year. It is a tidy job for the effort required, but you wouldn't want to have to live off its income.

Not a typo. The good plumbers bill by $180-200 per 15 minutes. If they are independent, they take all of that home. If they are part of a larger company, they are still pocketing a significant portion of that billing depending on how the plumbing company operates.

With 10 yrs experience and taking travel jobs to remote locations you MIGHT break $100 hr without OT. With North Slope experience you can get jobs that are paying ~70 with guaranteed OT so like you will crack $100 /hr but that's working winter in Alaska. Even offshore jobs aren't paying $100. No one is paying 800.

A friend of mine transitioned to low voltage electrical. The most satisfying thing I did last week was running some cat6. It’s quiet, physical, and you can see the accomplishment when you’re done. It feels good to do something well and get it done.

I’ve heard of people who go start a farmstead. I’m not sure I’d like it.

Some people have suggested physical work. I might also suggest introspection. What’s an activity you’ve done that really generates peace and satisfaction in you?

For some people it’s helping people. For some it’s physical activity. For some people it’s animals.

Don’t be afraid to totally turn your life on end. It’s the only one you’ve got.

I spent a couple of weeks working on the line in a restaurant over the break. It was the exact opposite of my tech job and obviously doesn't pay very well, but could be a good thing to try for a while and see how your brain changes

Learn from Sisyphus to find joy in what you are doing. Even monotonous jobs can be tremendously fulfilling. Be grateful you have a good job that is well regarded.

Conquering your malaise will allow you to find joy in whatever you are doing.

The real quest is internal.

I spent a couple years doing physical stuff professionally.

Pro audio system design and install, commercial interior design and fabrication, event production.

These pulled from skills I learned from hobbies I did to get away from programming.

I kept myself relevant by making programming the hobby I did to get away from physical work. After a couple years I got the professional programming bug back.

You definitely have other interests that can cross over into an alternate profession. And if you don't, picking up creative hobbies definitely contributes to work life balance and might prevent you from going to an extreme in the first place.

Combine what you know with development and apply it to art. There's a lot of magic and opportunities at the intersection of two major domains. Artists would love to know how to use programming to bring their ideas to life. Programmer would love to come up with creative artistic ideas, but they are limited to the world they know - code.

If you become medium/ok at both domains, you become a bit of a renaissance person, and hopefully excited to work on ideas and projects that bring you much joy.

Edit: Replace Art with whatever second domain might interest you.

I often dream about being a carpenter, a park ranger, or a truck driver. But it feels like it's too late, and my family would suffer from the lack of funds as I transition and learn.

You only have one life. How much land does a man need?

I'm transitioning to being a carpenter of sorts. I think it has a lot in common with design/dev. My dad is a contractor, he's lousy at marketing but manages to stay busy. He likes to say "All I do is pick up the phone when people call, and it's more than my competition does".

Carpenter and park ranger sound gratifying. But truck driver? Can you help me understand the appeal?

I like driving long distance, and visiting different cities.

Have you ever paused to ask who or what you are doing all of this for? Give yourself the right to choose, and slow down to observe the world’s hustle without being swept away by it. Find a purpose, even the simplest one, and embrace experiences as they come. Don't resent those around you—they are merely playing their roles in the system. Stop searching for external answers; the clarity you seek is already within you. Just move forward, and you will see it.

Off-grid lifestyle sure is starting more appealing by the day

Take a sabbatical if you can afford it and do random things. I'm in the US, so some of the things I've done - spent months through-hiking the Appalachian Trail, cave diving, camping, whitewater kayaking up and down the east coast. I needed another output and to put something besides work first. Work will always be there, and when I returned I found just working with other people more pleasant/rewarding.

I personally have settled in working at big companies, where expectations are really not that high of anyone. While I'm still highly productive at work, I don't go 100% as it will just piss all the other devs off. I give it about 50% effort and when the bell rings I just close the laptop. After all, it is just a job.

Yep, I have a mate who left tech to "go dig holes" (civil construction). He's now fit and happy, earns about half of what he did and is done with work by 1-2pm most days.

There are a billions of options out there and you only get one life. Go try them, or even try not working. You don't have yo have a job if you don't want to. It's your life.

> You don't have yo have a job if you don't want to. It's your life.

That depends on the financial situation which is not specified. Few people can afford to take a break from work.

I've argued this with people for years. The construct of what you can afford/need to pay is largely artificial. Most people can move to a cheaper area, sell their posessions, work a menial job and live frugally to save for 5 years and buy land away from things and live out their life in peace. Or a million other ways. The social rules of how you live are not real.

I was in the same boat around the 10 year mark as well. I started a t-shirt business on the side. It took a while but after a few years made enough to live off of.

Eventually I came back to tech as a contractor/consultant and like it so much more. My passion for development and engineering is much higher now.

Yeah, I know three - one transitioned to teaching, another to being a paramedic, and the last to social work.

On the other side I also know a teacher who switched to cyber security for the money after he started a family.

You have to know yourself and what motivates you to know if you'll find things more meaningful elsewhere.

I’m still on the fence of buying a large cargo van like a Sprinter and outfitting it to be a one-man ‘expeditor’ cargo carrier. Travel the country hauling one-off pallets from point A to B, check the DAT boards for loads and journeys abound.

Im curious about the feasibility of that. Im assuming you would start your own business. I'm just wondering if a solo person can come anywhere close to competitive? In terms of cost and availability. Does Steve lose money offering services at a competitive price? Why call Steve when I know he cant do it if he has any other business?

You need to be more specific. You don't like tech companies, you don't like staring at computers all day, you don't like bureaucracy, etc.? List all the things you don't like, ideally with an intensity rating.

I’m in a similar situation. I decided after a decade to quit my job and take some time off. I might work on my own company or switch careers entirely. I’ve thought about using the time by going back to school for networking.

What about it has burnt you out? That should direct where you go next

If you are in good shape, you could become a gym trainer (e.g. NASM certified). But, honestly, I don't you should quit.

I had this dream for a bit but you only make $65k doing it.

I can't say what you should do long-term, but in the mean-time; go hit the gym more. It really does help out.

Take an inventory of what you value & what you want from work. Impossible to give advice without knowing that

Have children and work with your hands and your life's meaningfulness will skyrocket.

Where is the sense of dread coming from?

If I was in that position with high NW, I'd quit and invest for a living (trend trade, not day trade)

Just start investing everything you own. You'll learn and be taught everything you need to know. You don't even need to quit your job (in fact I believe having a job helps you invest better: and most investing doesn't need to be full-time).

If you want to learn faster, use leverage.

Being an investor is a dream for many. I would advise against it if you're hunting status (visible wealth, being a VC or angel). Motivations are deceiving - use good friends to help you discover why you want to do something. Status chasing is often a hidden reason, even from ourselves. There's much more efficient ways to chase status. Most people are very poor at optimizing their choices to get status!

I thought I would like to be an investor but it turns out to be boring antisocial work.

Some friends I know who have become investors appear to like gambling - they're not people doing careful risk analysis. They're renting while betting a house worths of money - which seems to be working for them! Investing while having a mortgage is risky debt leveraged investment in New Zealand (but perhaps sensible in the US). One friend lied to investors and is in jail for it: learn the value of time & freedom.

Btw what do you tell people you do if that’s your livelihood?

Why bother? Just say you chill

In this area? Making wine or beer. That's honestly my go to if I had to choose something else.

Wherever you go, there you are.

Take a sabbatical to reflect. Or just retire.

As someone who has experienced a similar burnout, I would recommend that you seek new experiences, expose yourself to different kinds of people, and reflect deeply on what you find rewarding in life.

Personally, I grew to hate tech, especially in SV and the Bay Area. I never minded the work itself, but what killed me was the sheer douchebaggery. It was a magnet for awful people, drawn in by the earning potential. I'm not speaking, generally, of other developers, but mostly of management, project management, etc. I even worked for a CEO who, I believe, was a literal psychopath, who felt entitled to free labor.

If I were doing it over again, with the savings I had from working on tech, I would immediately pursue whatever struck my interest. I'd get a CDL and drive trucks for a while. I would get a teaching degree and try that for a few years. If I were able-bodied, I would get a nursing degree and see how I felt about that.

I've recently started dating a nurse practitioner, and she's really opened my eyes to what's out there. Nursing is in extreme demand, similar to what I saw in tech back in the late 90s. It's taxing work (physically, mentally, and emotionally), but deeply gratifying if you're the right kind of person. It also allows for a lot of options, like working four tens or three twelves, giving a lot of flexibility for adventure on your days off. Again, if that's your thing. You can pursue a (very difficult) graduate degree and become a nurse practitioner, earning 150k - 180k in areas with far lower housing costs than the Bay Area. As it turns out, I really like being around empathetic people, and I would have been far happier in this kind of role than I ever have been slinging code for projects that will most likely disappear into the void in a few years.

The biggest problem, in my opinion, is finding out what matters to you. I don't know how to fast-track that, which is why I say to just pursue whatever strikes your interest. The worst thing you can do is be indecisive and sink into aimless depression.

Speaking of depression, consider therapy. Chances are good that you're depressed. IMO, most people would be after a decade of soulless tech work.

Have you tried psych eval for ADHD?

Something I've seen some tech people do successfully is make a product and then sell it.

Selling a product is often funner than making it. You can make TikTok and Instagram videos selling it. You can act in front of a camera, and brainstorm new and creative ways to communicate.

Nowadays, making a product can be quite boring. AI can code up most everything, better than most devs. This problem of "bored devs" is only going to get worse.

You need to be having fun! It's absolutely key. Luckily, it's the funnest time in history to start selling

farmer carpenter auto mechanic dog sitter nurse teacher chef homeless etc

I've you're earning good money and you're young, DON'T QUIT

How about pottery?

This is the only plausible answer in this thread so far.

go away for a while. 6 months. year. Whatever. Let the sliding car find its trajectory, then decide which way to turn the wheel. Or abandon the car..

here my answer on similar question from ~year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42500960 "(like, which month is now?).. outside-hamster-wheel."

i am at opposite problem of yours - i still love programming - and "growing" programmers/persons - but seems noone wants that anymore. So.. may have to find something else out of my n-th neglected hobbies..

and yes, have fun. It's all nonsense without that

japanese woodworking, ftw!

Self-realization

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