Jack Dorsey: Let's Reconsider Our "Users"
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Customer is however a convenient term for a payment processor, where everyone is either a merchant (customer) or payer (customer's customer).
- if you have a 'real life unit' call them a person
- if you have an organization, call it an organization (although organization's are made up of people and ultimately it's people in the organizations that will be accessing your application, so you're back at person there too)
- if you have a machine, call it a machine
- Agent - Entity - User - Principal
I think there's a deeper issue at work here that something like App.net addresses.
There is a complete disconnect between buyer and seller. When someone is using Twitter, they are paying for it by selling their data, but this is just implied.
I think that the industry could solve a whole bunch of issues by:
1.) Charging for their service.
2.) Paying people for their data.
It could be that both balance each other out. It could be some other mechanism. Maybe you earn money, maybe you hold on to your data and you just pay for the full cost of using a service.
Whatever the solution, I think we should start using the term 'customer' and making explicit what is already implied when we're using a 'free' service.
I guarantee over 99% of Facebook's billion+ users have no idea that's really how Facebook is making their money. Sure, they might see the ads, but they don't know how those ads really work.
As for calling users "customers" because their data is being sold, well, no, that's not an accurate name for them per the definition of "customer":
cus·tom·er/ˈkəstəmər/
Noun:
A person or organization that buys goods or services from a store or other business.
A person or thing of a specified kind that one has to deal with: "a tough customer".
The label "customer" implies a conscious action of making a purchase. Twitter users are not actively purchasing anything, they're just creating usage data that makes money on the back end.
I wouldn't be surprised if lawmakers set to make it so everyone had the right to make sure their information was not sold to advertisers.
I'm personally under the impression that regulation causes more problems than it solves in the majority of situations so I'm hoping that the industry self-regulates and companies like Facebook and Twitter allow me to pay for their services and opt-out of their business of selling my private information to others.
I'm not really sure why you defined "customer" for me. I never said that Facebook and Twitter users are currently customers, but that they should be.
It is dishonest to have the business taking place "on the back end" of things and to purposefully hide such transactions from people.
I also find it arrogant to think that it is advantageous to shield such financial complexity from people because they don't want to think about it or won't understand it.
So if Facebook and Twitter want to continue to be dishonest and arrogant companies, by all means, let them continue, but I think it will be part of their ultimate demise, either from increased consumer awareness on topics such as information privacy and digital identity, or from legislation.
Suppose, for the sake of discussion, that Facebook were a perfectly mercenary, ruthless organization, straight out of HN's collective imagination: it cares nothing about the people using its software, and eats, sleeps, and breathes nothing but monetization. (This view is itself another instance of naive cynicism, but let's grant it to get on with things.) Facebook is still critically reliant on non-paying users continuing to use it; without them, no possible road to monetization exists. Those users are a party to the transaction; they come willingly, and Facebook has no army to compel them to come again tomorrow. Viewing users as inanimate "product" that can be manufactured and sold would be stupid; the "product" is not something that Facebook produced, bought, manufactured, or otherwise has any proprietary claim over.
This relationship is actually pretty close to the relationship that print media have to their readers; your subscription pays for approximately 0% of their revenue; advertisers make newspapers and magazines work. It's also close to broadcast television, where you literally contribute no money to the revenue of the businesses producing programming. It doesn't follow that television studios should view you as inanimate "product"; indeed, television studios work very hard to produce something that real people enjoy, because without those people freely choosing to watch they are out of business.
A much more sensible aphorism would be: "If you're not paying, you're not the customer, you're the audience." This has greater explanatory power, for the behavior of free web service, advertisers, and the audience, which is a willing party to this entire transaction, as the "product" soundbite obscures.
"Customer" emphasizes the transactional side of the relationship. If your check bounces, or you pirated your copy, etc., you're no longer a "customer".
So, we are using the site, but we don't directly give them money to do so. Instead, they get money by putting ads in our faces while we use the site.
Now, the Facebook/Twitter user can be a customer in this scenario, just not of Facebook or Twitter. We (typically) are customers of the advertisers who want us to buy a car or sugar water or a widget.
So, the store analogy isn't quite apt for this... instead you could think of it more like a TV network. They don't call the people who watch their shows customers or users, but rather "viewers". TV network's customers are the businesses that buy time to air their commercials.
Yes, there's some sense in which "user" connotes a detachment from the people who use the programs you create, but I hopefully Square isn't such a centralised culture that the CEO gets to decide on it in isolation from "the team".
I find it refreshing Square is open enough to listen to its newest board member and allow them to make an immediate impact. While small this change may not have come from the current culture that is more tech heavy and take the term user for granted.
But while an industry outsider may be unfamiliar with the term "user," I've never worked anywhere where we didn't have the highest appreciation for, and commitment to, the people who use our software. The term does not have any negative connotation to it, and there's not an industry-wide problem here to fix.
It wouldn't surprise me if this were a designed response from Starbucks, encouraging their customers to develop and internalize the Starbucks dialect.
So now when I go to a cafe I say "I'd like a twelve ounce coffee", so I don't have to try to translate that through their local notion of whether that's "small" or "medium" or "tall"
Edit: to be clear, I'm referring to someone saying "users" in the sense of "drug users". "McDonald's users" is another one I hear occasionally.
Ultimately, an attitude can make up for the word choice. For example, if you say 'user' with the same reverence as do the software agents in the original 'Tron' movie, you'll be paying the users way more respect than 'customer' grants.
User is not a bad word. However, its not the right word to use to describe some one who uses your software at times (Sometimes you want a more detailed word), and sometimes "user" is the right word (You are talking big idea, vision, less detail). eg. "How many users are hitting our server right now?" "We have 20,000 people submitting tweets, and 1,200,000 people reading tweets."
Your attitude toward your users/customers/whatever matters. The word you call them, not so much.
You're only a customer (uh)
Walkin' in the presence of hustlers
You spend money all night long
"All night long."
When forming the US Government they had to name the new position. Some wanted it to be regal and powerful, others wanted to keep it humble so the leader wouldn't let the power get to his head. Originally the title President was the lowest and most humble title they could think of for the head of state in the new United States. You only presided over a meeting. Now due to it labeling the position of power the connotation has changed and everyone wants to be President.
The people who visit web sites aren't "users," click-throughs, hits, numbers on a spreadsheet, or some other form of dehumanizing jargon. They're your husband, your mom, your friend, the guy who sits in the cube next to you. They're real PEOPLE, just like you and me.
That's why we think a successful site is one that makes real people's lives easier; One that makes them say, "This site worked for me." So we've made it our mission to ensure this kind of experience at the sites we build. At 37signals we don't see users, we see people.
. . . just as relevant in this bullshit bubble as it was in the last.
But "Customer" or "user" is just a word choice without an inherent distinction. The way either word is used is very heavily dependent on corporate culture. If a company uses "user" in an cold, impersonal way, it's guaranteed they'll use "customer" in exactly the same way.
To eliminate the word "user", I have to say "the people formerly known as users but who will now be known as the people who use our app." I cannot call them "people", because our users are a specific subset of people... they are people in context that matters, deeply. The context of using something we made.
I have always agreed with those who say that if you have a problem with employees dissing users, the problem does not live in the word "users". If they don't think of users as people, fix that first. I am more concerned that the word customer puts the focus on people-who-pay vs. people-who-use.
I think the problem is precisely the opposite: not enough people think of their customers as users. For example, we tell our authors to think of their readers as users, not just readers. They're not buying our books to be exposed to our prose... They're trying to use what's in there to do something they care about.
It's not "call them customers" or "call them buyers/sellers"; just think about what makes sense, what evokes the right thoughts, and use that word instead. If 'users' works for you, then keep doing that.
It seems obvious, but I understand what Dorsey's getting at. I've struggled with finding appropriately specific identifiers, and when in doubt just lumped everyone together as "users."
Context matters. Square happens to be one of those paid services whose categories of "users" are pretty easy to identify and name. Like you guys mentioned in your comments, redefining specific terms for "users" of free services and search engines isn't quite as simple. I would suggest "freeloaders" or "browsers" but that would take us in the wrong direction :)
I'm content being labeled a "user" for now.
Kind of interesting that the CEO of Twitter and Square has the time to think and write blog posts about referring to people as "users" or "customers" internally. Must be a tough and time-consuming job.
Customer makes me think it's about paying for the product.
Users are my friends. Customers are my clients.
In a company, the buyer or customer may be a manager but the user the members of his team.
In a consumer product, the buyer or customer may be a middle-aged man but the user his 12 years old daughter.
Words have meanings, and randomly inverting them will only cause more confusion. When you sell a product it's important to know who is the custmomer and who is the user. If they're not the same person they will have different goals and needs, and it is important to understand them.
Youtube has video uploaders, commenters, raters.
Games have players, coaches, referees, bots.
Forums have admins, moderators, posters, subscribers, lurkers.
Torrents have seeders, leechers.
Sure, Amazon has customers mostly, and some advertisers.
New terms are ubiquitous from convention, not from reasoning.
Calling those people customers may perhaps cause subtle shifts in Twitter's behavior such that it would be more aligned with those people's interests, but it wouldn't be accurate!
http://contemporary-home-computing.org/turing-complete-user/
which argues that speaking of "users" is a mark of respect for their intelligence and autonomy, and that the computer industry is going astray by failing to speak of them.
Every time I've been responsible for a product, the first thing I've done is make sure we have accurate personas with actual names. Who are the real people using our product? Why are the using it? What makes them happy or sad about it?
I've found that, when presented with good personas, engineering becomes more empathetic for the people using the product, and, as a result, make products that are better for those people (as opposed to better for the engineers, which tends to happen when engineers aren't empathizing with their users).
And I also don't think "users" is a word that needs to be excised from software producer's vocabulary. There are times when you need a word that describes your customers, partners, etc. If you aren't careful, any word you choose there will become too generic.
If you don't consider yourself a servant of your customers, and work to please them, your contempt is going to come out instead. I got tired of being used by Facebook. I don't feel that anyone has my back at Facebook. I moved on.
By contrast there are a few sites that bend over backwards to delight me, their customer, whether or not they charge me money or make money from me. Customer service sets great sites apart from sites not worth my time.
Sure, we could call them "decision-making" customer and "product-using" customer, but semantics driving psychology work the other way around as well : sales is customer-driven, and development and support are user-driven. Same end result is achieved, while using natural language for the target audience.
This is subtle, but it actually feels better to me. Building it as "user" wasn't even a thought, but in truth to a player playing a game, it is an odd abstract term in the context.
Now I give each type of user their own model. So... "customer", "employee", "admin" for example.
This is interesting because when you write code it is instantly apparent who is the focus of an action. It also helps model how the accounts interact with each other.
Dorsey's post gives me an uneasy feeling. Because everyone receiving the memo knows on some level that it's BS. It's couched in the terms of showing respect for users as people. But the subtext is simply that we need to act as if we respect the people using our product because they provide money.
The whole exalting of the customer in modern marketing speak is emblematic of a lack of respect for people as fellow human beings. It's kind of a perversion of the cliche "the customer is always right. Obviously the customer is not always right, that's why the frickin' expression exists! It's an acknowledgment of the asymmetry that exists in buyer/seller transactions. You're not supposed to believe it, just act like you do.
Never gonna stop.
It's a surprisingly hard habit to break, but it's important. Being specific clarifies your priorities and adds a level of responsibility.
At DBC, our students are our customers, for example. Treating them like customers acknowledges that they're paying us a lot of money to change their lives. When you're saying "student" and "customer" all day it's easier to focus on what the real problems are.
> We think "users" is exactly the right word. It makes the USER the important thing. The one who cares about USEability and USEfullness, two words we really like. We don't care if we make fans. We aren't even motivated to create customers. We believe that if you can do things in such a way that you help people become passionate users, the rest takes care of itself.
http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2004/1...
Similarly, "user" is probably not a great word when you're talking about business, because your customers do more than just use the app.
I don't mind being both a user and a customer and an individual, depending on who's talking about me in what context.
When your boss asks you a question like "how does this impact the customer", you tend to only think about the people who pay you money, not the other strange definitions of customer that jack might have invented.
In any case, I don't think using "customer" as a replacement is necessarily enlightened or inspired. There's got to be a more creative term.
But then, that might just give rise to another esoteric buzzword, and I'd rather not have that either.
I'm just going to stick with "user".
It pithily drove the point home for me: I had never been designing for users, but people.
Pithy quips emphasize cleverness of expression. The cleverness dazzles, and seduces the listener into agreement—but if you actually stand back and look at what they mean, they often fall down badly. Many very clever quips are shallow, meaningless, or just wrong, but they sound profound.
People very often don't bother with the "thinking about it" step though, and the result is that pithiness helps spread a lot of silly notions.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/smcnally/2012/10/15/guided-by-vo...
"“The only people who refer to their clients as ‘users’ are drug dealers and technologists.” ... We still refer to “visitors,” “audience,” “consumers” when what we say we want are participants. ... We distinguish “creators” from ”consumers.” It’s a disconnect. While it’s just labeling, it has a great deal of bearing on our attitude toward the community."
If I called them customers, they'd think I were trying to sell them something... which I'm not.
Why does it matter what you call the people that use your services? They are users of the service. You are providing a service for users. For example: John Doe goes to a store and they use Square, John pays for his product via the merchant using Square — John is a customer, the retailer is a user of the Square service. It's not like John (the customer) is paying Square directly just for the privilege of being able to pay for his particular item via a credit card.
The word users works, lets not over-think this. As long as you are providing exceptional services and exceptional support you could call us cretins for all I care.
$140... 140 characters. Subtle jab at Twitter?
So not "subtle jab", rather "pseudo-subtle nod".
Agents might be more accurate.
Why are we talking about this?
#biggerproblems
The terminology and historical use of the word 'user' doesn't give enough weight to the fact that their 'users' are actually customers. Referring to their customers properly shows more respect for their customers while setting the expectations from their developers when building services.
Youtube has video uploaders, commenters, raters.
Games have players, coaches, referees, bots.
Forums have admins, moderators, posters, subscribers, lurkers.
Torrents have seeders, leechers.
None of these are customers.
Sure, Amazon has customers mostly, and some advertisers.
I would say it's not a reflection of distance of software developers, but more an attempt by developers to create a new all-encompassing term which describes all of these things. People, organizations, machines. More than one per real life unit.
We don't, we call our users "users". They are the product we are selling to our customers. We call our customers "customers". Why is he taking such a stupid question as a call to change the way he thinks instead of just answering it?
>No one wants to be thought of as a “user”
Excuse me? I am perfectly content with being thought of as a user of site X when I am a user of site X. I am not a customer of google's, I am a user of their search engine. I am not a customer of HNs, I am a user. If you don't care about your users, then fix that problem, don't try to pretend the word is the problem.
When talking about twitter, I'm absolutely not their customer. I'm their user, and totally agree with your assessment.
One thing absent from @jack's article was a definition of customer:
cus·tom·er/ˈkəstəmər/ Noun: A person or organization that buys goods or services from a store or other business.
I believe his subdivision of "customers" into "sellers" and "buyers" was to solve that issue - "sellers" are the merchants, and "buyers" and the sellers' customers. It all makes sense to me, but you're right - only in a context where you actually have customers
I don't want to be considered customer when I'm in front of my computer. Buyer, maybe when I'm just paying for something, but never customer. It has so many bad connotations. Calling me user emphasizes my actions as an independent agent, but calling me customer emphasizes the fact that I'm perceived as a bag of cash to drain.
User is no more confusing due to drug connotations than visitor is due to alien connotations or client is to prostitution. We can find nefarious or suggestive inferences in nearly every word if we want.
user - someone who is using the system
visitor - someone who came to a site (web, B&M, etc).
viewer - someone who saw something
account - a long term relationship with a person or group
customer - someone who is intending to spend money
buyer - someone who is actually spending money
client - someone who is the target of a service
So you can fall into a number of categories here at once, and it's more important that you're accurate when expressing your idea than to simplify it. Marketing is all about increasing the numbers of a certain one of these, often by converting them from another.