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So more financial burdens for US citisens? Poor Americans. Why did they vote for this lunatic?

Americans wanted change so they didn't want establishment politicians. When this usually happens the far-right and far-left come into view and typically what happens is that the far-right get first dibs because they always promise the impossible so their proposals are at first glance more attractive to the electorate. In the case of this election, the Democrats didn't even allow the progressives to contest the election so there wasn't really a choice at all.

Oh look it's that pathetic thing that some Americans do where they blame the Democrats for Trump being in power.

I'm not American but I really with the Dems had run a competent, middle of the road candidate.

They did. Harris was a competent candidate and was so middle that she pissed off the left wing.

Second most left wing in the senate https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4816859-kamala-harris-i...

The 'pissed off the left wing' thing is a bit of an issue. The Dems really need to return to representing the average american, not the extra woke. Democracy means rule of the people, not rule of the far left.

Liberal and left are not synonyms.

No she wasn't. She wasn't a good speaker, not charismatic, no clear policy or opinions on things, just overall no.

Why is it so hard to admit? Nobody really liked her except for the fact that she ran against Trump...

Maybe I'd feel worse for thinking that the party failed if they had, like, let me at least vote in a primary...

He won because he promised to deport illegal immigrants. His voters thinks he is delivering.

It appears to be a combination of racism, “crabs in the pot” mentality, tribalism and in group motivations, and people looking for another group to look down on because they have no opportunity ahead of them between now and death. Happiness is reality minus expectations.

His supporters still say “It’s not great but I’d vote for him again.” Well, the unfortunate news is he’s near end of life and they footgunned their own economic opportunity light cone. The global economy is going to route around the US accordingly, because it cannot be trusted to trade as an adult vs a bully. They will continue to have their vote and mental model regardless of rationality and logical reasoning. All you can do as a nation state counterparty is defend against military action and disconnect economically.

Same vibes as "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." —- LBJ

(derived from first principles)

Some voted for him for that reason, some for other reasons d. For example, I’ve heard several women voted for him because he said he’d make ivf more available/affordable.

The bigger question is why would anyone believe anything he says, especially if it was going to benefit regular people.

No they didn't - they voted for him because he claimed he would end the affordability crisis. The numbers are in and they're not looking good.

Trump did racist dog whistling, and the US mass media has been captured by oligarchs, so it wasn't reported honestly or completely. A surprising large portion of the US electorate is racist, and the US voting practices amplify exactly those voter's influence.

It was a bad election cycle for incumbents worldwide. Many Americans are hurting from the cost of living and wanted a change. I know many who are definitely not racist (in interracial marriages/relationships even) who voted for Trump just on the hope for an improved economy.

That goes to the exact point about the media. Trump trashed the economy during Covid with trillions in new dollars so that that all important Line would continue to go up rather than reflect the reality of a global pandemic. The Biden administration did a decent job getting the price inflation from that under control, but rather than giving credit where credit is due, the oligarchic media continued to agitate against the incumbent who wasn't all-in on corporate rule. Cue a whole bunch of low-information voters for the New York con artist on vague "hope" for improvement, when everyone using at least half their brain knew that the policies Trump was promising would be highly destructive to our economy.

Do you know what they call the dumbest person at the polling place? A voter.

Biden has his flaws but I feel like he wasn't trying to appear strong, he did what he thought was right for his country ie. give power to those who could help the nation but somehow he got projected weak because of it even if numbers were doing good

Trump's doing the literal opposite. This is why Trump wants to trashtalk Biden so much

Somehow getting "projected weak" is the oligarch owned media, isn't it? It's the media reporting truthfully, but framed in a pro-Trump way, or just not reporting on Trump very emphatically. You could read bias into the oligarch owned media because of thar.

I will have to agree you on this one even as a trump hater because i do feel like somehow people imagined that trump's gonna make all things affordable somehow (the same people now turning to mamdani see maga for mamdani movement no jokes)

i do feel like this is a pipeline

Disagree with some aspects of democrats? boom you are a republican

Disagree with some aspects of Republicans? boom you are a democrat

It's just picking the less worst candidate and media influence as such values a lot in the perception of "loss"

Obviously trump has been the more worst candidate in comparison and there were already tell tale signs of it

It's a shame that bernie sanders hasn't been an American president or the bias you see at democrats because of it regarding bernie or not pushing bernie at times.

That being said, what trump is doing so abhorent that Its literally killing the nation so I feel like some blame should be placed in its voters.

I genuinely just hope that you guys re-evaluate your two party system. You need a grass roots movement of independent to take on the system from within with the promise of changing the voting system to some better more independent or similar.

But looks like America's not gonna have mid term elections (Trump joked about it just as how he joked about greeland)

How does one fuck up a country that I used to admire a few years back into something that even I am comparing it to Iran & in many cases worse.

I do feel like Histories being written in front of our own eyes tho, Historians are also gonna analyze the average opinion on what's happening and we are gonna witness something in decades to come, "but why didn't they take action when all of this was happening, surely everyone could agree it was wrong" (this was my first thought reading about slavery/ pre-french revolution)

Now I understand how it feels like.

So right now's the perfect time to call bullshit on trump and impeach him or support the idea in the time being even you may've voted republican.

I do feel like America's gone to the point of no return but the only thing America can do right now is risk mitigation because chances are, war does feel more real now.

I am not american but first and foremost, whether or not if you are a democrat or republican, you all are american so why are some of you still defending a country which is breaching or trying to breach the sovereignity of another country and a guy who looks like hes all hell bent on breaking the ideas America was established on.

Cut the losses of the survivorship bias and do what's right. The world's watching.

> Why did they vote for this lunatic?

The policy isn't decided by one person or one party or the two parties for that matter. Trump is just an actor going thorough the script, as much as he can make it.

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