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Other country only sees that US elected Trump. So, yes, the US.

This is a point in time for the US and there are institutional paths to change. The comparisons to China forget that China does not have the same mechanisms for change. China is an immutable state outside of revolution or the administration just deciding to transfer power.

If they are successful in destroying democracy, I will reevaluate my view. We don't know what's going to happen in the midterms or 2028.

> If they are successful in destroying democracy, I will reevaluate my view. We don't know what's going to happen in the midterms or 2028.

But again, and I say that as a European, we don't really care: what we see is the position of the US no matter if it is coming from your congress, president, secretary or whatever.

14% of the US elected trump.

I know it’s lower than 50% but I wanted to get a better idea myself. Numbers rounded to the nearest 5 million

  - Trump voters 2024: 75m
  - US population 2024: 340m
  - US population >18 2024: 265m
  - % pop Trump voters: 22%
  - % pop >18 Trump voters: 28%

What numbers did you use?

Guesstimate from the last time I was curious about these numbers. Looks like I was pretty close.

For the rest of the world, this number is a complete irrelevance. The purpose of a system is what it does - and the system in question today is the US electoral system. That's what "Other countries only see that the US elected Trump" means.

Yeah. Also not an edge case where an unpopular candidate sneaks in by virtue of deadlocked opponents and quirks of electoral math, or a case where voters thought they were getting a moderate who then pivoted in a different direction. Trump's been open about his belief that trade is a zero sum game he's going to win by crushing other economies with tariffs, his contempt for Western democracies and his admiration for Putin for several years, the corruption isn't exactly hidden and even the Greenland nonsense isn't new. It won him a plurality of votes because most of his base was enthusiastic about his approach and the rest didn't mind.

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