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Comment by everdrive | Hacker News Reader

Pretty ominous line here for ProtonVPN users:

"All VPN providers, except ProtonVPN, appeared in court to argue a defense. They raised various arguments, with the “no-log” defense from Surfshark and NordVPN standing out."

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What's ominous about it?

Proton is relocating their servers out of Switzerland and into Germany over privacy concerns. They are now facing the possibility of the same privacy concerns in EU countries. Ironically, the safest place to host a private VPN service may actually be USA given the way privacy-related things in the EU are going.

The EU member states are still sovereign, though. This French court ruling doesn't really affect the prospects of certain kinds of privacy in Germany. I think the parent might have been referring to the fact they didn't raise a no-log argument, thus implying they do log. But I don't think that makes much sense either.

> Ironically, the safest place to host a private VPN service may actually be USA given the way privacy-related things in the EU are going.

Why, because American companies are never forced to do things because of copyright and/or law enforcement?

The main reason for Protonmail's existence is that they are not hosted in the USA.

Switzerland has lax laws on piracy for personal use so I'm quite surprised by this.

Lazy af, to start with ... considering it's their wheelhouse ...

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