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Odin and Jai are others.

Vlang compiles to human readable C too, like Nim, not Odin and Jai. Here's a post to read on V's rational for doing so[1]. Incredibly, some vocal competitors mocked V's developers for its decision, then years later, have been quietly trying to copy or "steal" other ideals without giving credit (that they previously made fun of).

V's approach is to have various backends, in addition to native (to be focused on from 0.6); C, JavaScript, WASM, etc...

[1] https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7849

Does Odin compile to C? I thought it only uses LLVM as a backend

Same question but for Jai.

Jai does not compile to C. It has a bytecode representation that is used primarily for compile time execution of code, a native backend used mostly for iteration speed and debug builds, and a LLVM target for optimized release builds.

No, Odin does not compile to C. It is a standalone programming language that compiles directly to machine code. It primarily uses LLVM as its backend for compiling to machine code, like you said.

chicken scheme compiles to c as well. it's a pretty convenient compilation target, you get to use all the compilers and tool chains out there and you don't add a dependency on llvm

I love CHICKEN Scheme! Nice to see it mentioned. Though I think it's worth pointing out it compiles to something pretty far from handwritten C, to my understanding. I think this is true of both performance and semantics; for example you can return a pointer to a stack allocated struct from a foreign lambda (this is because chicken's generated C code here doesn't really "return", I think. Not an expert).

Of course you can always drop to manually written C yourself and it's still a fantastic language to interop with C. And CHICKEN 6 (still pre-release) improves upon that! E.g structs and Unions can be returned/passed directly by/to foreign functions, and the new CRUNCH extension/subset is supposed to compile to something quite a bit closer to handwritten C; there are even people experimenting with it on embedded devices.

> this is because chicken's generated C code here doesn't really "return", I think. Not an expert.

not an expert either, but you're right about that, it uses cps transformations so that functions never return. there's a nice write up here: https://wiki.call-cc.org/chicken-compilation-process#a-guide...

Chicken indeed interoperates with C quite easily and productively. You're right that the generated C code is mostly incomprehensible to humans, but compiles without difficulty.

The Chicken C API has functions/macros that return values and those that don't return. The former include the fabulous embedded API (crunch is an altogether different beast) which I've used in "mixed language" programming to good effect. In such cases Scheme is rather like the essential "glue" that enables the parts written in other languages to work as a whole.

Of course becoming proficient in Scheme programming takes time and effort. I believe it's true that some brains have an affinity for Lispy languages while others don't. Fortunately, there are many ways to write programs to accomplish a given task.

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