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Of all the Linux features to copy, they chose this.

I actually wish macOS would clone Alt-dragging from anywhere to drag and Alt-right clicking to resize from anywhere from Linux (at least GNOME and KDE Plasma have this built-in). That would certainly solve most of the complaints in the original post.

macOS has Cmd + Ctrl + drag to move windows. Alt + drag seems unlikely given that it's already often used for "copy" actions.

I just tried that on Tahoe (26.2) and it didn't drag the window with Ctrl+Cmd+drag. Is it supposed to work on all windows?

Oddly, the one thing it doesn't work on for me is the main area of the System Preferences window. Everything else I've tried seems to work, though.

It's sort of hidden feature (I could bet that before "system preferences.app" redesign you could have found it there, but I don't see it anymore).

This comment explains how to do it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46585551

KDE doesn't actually suffer from this problem.

*GNOME features, not Linux features. No such issues over here on KDE.

I have often felt like GNOME is the most Apple-y of desktop environments; they're very form over function. Not surprising to me at all that both would pick a design that seems beautiful until you try to use it.

Indeed, no such "invisible drag areas" here either using just FVWM2.

Shortly after Windows 10 came out I was joking that Microsoft finally made a Linux distribution (by replicating all the jankiness we usually associate with it).

Now I guess it's Apple's turn.

Wait, they implemented Alt-Drag/Right drag?

I believe the parent is referring to how GNOME 3.0 had some really bad resizing grabs. Single-pixel widths at the edges, and almost impossible to hit corners.

Latter versions significantly improved it.

Has been a major issue for me with Xfce and Gnome over the years, mostly just switched window managers.

Xfce is just ridiculous, it has 1px thin area to grab, and last time I checked they just mentioned you should use alt right click instead.

I was about to suggest Xfce as an example where window resizing is effortless due to the <super>+<right click> behavior. You can just grab the rough sector of a window to resize it.

Any reason why you're not using it?

I do! I even miss it when I use other systems. I just think the original problem could be fixed for people that does not know about the shortcut.

Sort of! Cmd + Ctrl + drag moves windows now.

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