Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.
Of course they slathered the app with tracking, 'security', and analytics SDKs, so rooted devices are rejected. I had no way to log into this bank account after they made that change, which is simply wonderful.
Anyways, they're not yet at the point where they've learned to do the checks server-side. For now it's a one line patch to skip the root screen. But the Play Integrity API is designed correctly, if they learn to use it, there will be no workaround without someone finding a hardware vulnerability somewhere.
This is why LineageOS is actually dead in the water, even though they're "in talks with hardware vendors". It doesn't matter when people can't use the apps and services they need.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_compatibility_issues_in_So...
> Many tech jobs in the US will move to Vietnam in the coming few years.
It would seem to me that India has that on lock.
So is the personal, private content of my texts, why not go for that while you're at it?
Some of that liability is fair but most of it is the government telling the banks to account for the loss when someone is scammed. They are obviously going to mitigate that as much as they can.
Go back fifteen years and malware is absolutely submitting bank transactions after the user does a 2FA.
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2010/03/crooks-crank-up-volume-o...
They're upping the surveillance, not the security, quite demonstrably.
This is meant to protect /them/ from liability and not /you/ from loss.
I chose my current bank because it was one of the few that had proper token based access for 3rd party integration. An overwhelming majority of banks were relying on a 3rd party holding your actual username/password and saying "trust me bro". I wasn't comfortable with that.
We're dragged into this kicking and screaming and yet normies think we're the crazy ones.
Offering a monetary reward for installing apps seems fairly common. Chevron had someone at my gas station offering something like $5 of free gas, plus $1 a gallon off of the next three purchases. If it was something the customers wanted, they wouldn't need to pay people to do it.
In the future, everything will need an 'app'.
It’s not like the UK sent out a mandate to private banks or any other private industry on this issue. It’s also only one small country of hundreds.
I’d have to question this idea that this is how things “already look.” I can think of very few businesses that I interact with that force me to use an app.
I’d like to know what private businesses are copying the kind of workflows and customer experience you get at the USPS or DMV.
I have had a lot of banks and credit cards, mobile payment apps like Venmo/PayPal in the US and they almost all work on mobile web and desktops.
But I recognize that wealthy western countries didn’t really skip the personal computer like many mobile-first regions have done.
I've heard 3rd hand of some banks already doing this in i.e. Armenia where a foreigner can come in and open account easily but they block any online access to lock the control of funds in country to make it harder for the FATF psychopaths to find fodder to clamp down on them.
No no no shut up, don’t speak up. No one thinks like you.
Most people would find this viewpoint to be strange.
They'll find a solution to their problem, which is you: apologize for losing you as a customer, and express a hope that you'll consider them again after you've bought a phone.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/phones/venmo-shutters-web-plat...
Most banks charge a fee for sending a wire. Sending an ACH is free, but most restrict that to your own account. Revolut is the only one I've seen that lets you just spam ACH to anyone. In both cases, it isn't instant.
Zelle largely fixes those issues, but has its own issues, like a lot of banks not supporting it and/or arbitrarily low send limits.
1. Your employer pays your salary by bank transfer, which requires you to have a conventional bank account.
2. You then want to spend that money, how do you do that?
Debit card? You need the phone app to retrieve the PIN when the bank first sends you the card.
Cash withdrawals in the branch? For amounts less than €10,000, the staff will direct you to the ATMs in the branch. These require an activated debit card to withdraw money, and activating that card requires the phone app.
Manual money transfers in the branch? Once again, for amounts less than €10,000, the staff won't do it - they'll instead direct you to the PCs in the branch. These are just loading the same website you can access on yours, which will ask you to the confirm with a 2FA push notification to log in.
Try another bank? The legacy banks all got the same auditor who advised them that app based 2FA is the easiest way to implement PSD2, and reduce the likelihood they get held liable when customers get scammed, so they all implemented that as the only option. The neobanks of course, are accessed solely by apps.
I believe that previously internet banking, even before mobile banking, will limit the number of transfer recipients you can add per day/month. With the rise of QR payment I could see this limit being regularly hit if you scrape the web-based banking.
Since the Bank of Thailand claims that they technically don't block many things (mobile banking technical requirements seems to also require blocking root, but they never banned internet banking), I wish there's a new bank that try to disrupt the existing players. But the latest "branchless" banking license were only acquired by existing banking groups, so API-first personal banking remain impossible.
The banks that allow you to do everything on their website trend towards legacy and US-centric.
on the other hand phone does not require you to verify with your pc, so there's no second factor unless there is some unacessible secure island within the phone itself.
funny enough, you can probably use that website directly on the phone that you use as 2F, which probably circumvents the 2F idea (at least as long as you use SMS 2F instead of app that checks for root)
From they you can keylog. Highjack input listeners, basically do anything you want.
There's not even that many people using rooted phones, and many are tech savvy people that are generally a bit more careful, so even if a rooted phone gets infected by some malware chances are the malware won't even be written in such a way to try to obtain root permissions through the standard procedure and exploit it.
While they (mostly) have websites, a computer with root access is not sufficient by itself to access them. You also need to perform 2FA via push notification to a proprietary app on an Apple or Google approved device.
Users are losing billions worldwide due to fraudulent apps. If a user has root and runs a malicious app, it can intercept what a legitimate banking app does. A scam app with root can draw over the screen and tell users to transfer money, or it can run a series of actions when the banking app is running, or do any of a hundred things to steal money.
Sure. But the people who are actually rooting their phones are advanced users and aren't going to install a malicious custom OS. Are naive users getting tricked into rooting their own phones? I'm dubious what the security benefit is of this decision.
There are two ways to root a phone:
1. Unlock the bootloader, install a well designed and highly secure aftermarket OS, relock the bootloader. The device is still just as secure against malware as it was before. Remote attestation shows the vendor that you're running Graphene or Lineage or whatever.
2. Exploit a local vulnerability to drop a sudo binary somewhere. RA shows you're running an exploitable version of Pixel Android, etc.
(2) is absolutely exploitable by fraudsters. They convince the user to run an app or visit a website that exploits their browser or whatever, and the vulns are used to escalate to root and keep it. Now when the user logs into their banking app the HTTP requests are rewritten to command the bank to send money to the adversary. This is why devices that allow escalation to root are excluded via remote attestation.
(1) isn't but it requires more coordination than the industry has proven capable of so far. Binary images of a custom OS could in theory be whitelisted by banks if it was known to be as secure as other operating systems. But there's no forum in which that information can be exchanged. Like, RandOS turns up and the maintainer "xyzkid", identity: anime avatar, claims his OS is super secure. How does random overworked bank developer John Smith know if this is true or not? RandOS doesn't come with any audits, it doesn't have a well paid security team. The brand is a big question mark. And if John makes the wrong call, maybe the bank is now on the hook for millions in losses because someone installed RandOS to get the shiny icon theme or whatever, and then got hacked.
So it's a hard problem. It's not actually a technical problem. Remote attestation is very general. The hard part isn't the tech. It's a social problem. How do you create and rapidly communicate trust in a new binary OS image if you don't have the security resources of an Apple or a Google or a Samsung? Google runs a whole accreditation programme for Android where you can turn up as a phone OEM and get your custom OS builds considered to be secure by passing a huge test suite. So the only issue is OS hackers who fall below the threshold where they can do that.
There's an alternative of course: go full libertarian. Means, just use a "bank" that doesn't care if its users get hacked. This is what the Bitcoin community enabled. It's there if you want it.
Well it’s more the Dunning Krugerites who see the word “rooting” written by someone in a cyber context, lack that context entirely, and proceed to enter the discussion anyway based on their experience rooting their Android phone 3 years ago after clicking through a few UI buttons.
On android, I believe this can be done rootless via accessibility permissions that can display on top of apps