Maybe the estate should look into whomever was selling him testosterone enanthate so that he could have testosterone levels of 5,000 or more. I suspect that had more to do with his degraded mental situation than his AI chats.
There's very little story in "testosterone-fueled man does testosterone-fueled things", though. People generally know the side effects of it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35437187/
So, no, not really absurd at all.
Here's a meta-analysis on violence and testosterone: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31785281/
> Use of AAS in combination with alcohol largely increases the risk of violence and aggression.
> Based on the scores for acute and chronic adverse health effects, the prevalence of use, social harm and criminality, AAS were ranked among 19 illicit drugs as a group of drugs with a relatively low harm.
It's hard to get good research data on extreme abuse of illegal drugs, for obvious reasons.
It's worth noting alcohol is very well-documented for its risk of increased aggression and violence - testosterone is not necessary.
Alcohol has a FAR, FAR greater connection with violence, and yet most people up in arms about "roid rage" are happily sipping away apparently unaware of the irony.
Nobody here has said they turn you into a raging psychopath. Nobody even mentioned alcohol. That’s called moving the goalposts.
Replying to three people in the same comment thread does not help your case.
Neither is ignoring the entirety of my comment even though it directly contradicted the majority of yours.
I apologise for being passionate about the subject, it’s just frustrating to me that the mainstream view is so out of touch with reality.
Do you drink alcohol? Because there is a FAR greater direct connection between alcohol and violence. Maybe sit on that for a bit.
The reason we have the phrase "roid rage" is sensationalist journalism. If someone commits a crime and they happen to take steroids it's automatically labelled as "roid rage". Think about this.
If you were experienced with steroids or knew many steroid users you would absolutely not hold this opinion, I guarantee it.
it hinders you long term decision making and in turn makes it more likely to do risky decisions which could end bad for you (because you are slightly less risk adverse)
but that is _very_ different to doing decisions with the intend to kill yourself
you always need an different source for this, which here seem to have been ChatGPT
also how do you think he ended up thinking he needs to take that levels of testosterone, or testosterone at all. Common source of that are absurdly body ideals, often propagated by doctored pictures. Or the kind of non-realistic pictures ChatGPT tends to produce for certain topics.
and we also know that people with mental health issues have gone basically psychotic due to AI chats without taking any additional drugs...
but overall this is irrelevant
what is relevant is that they are hiding evidence which makes them look bad in a (self) murder case, likely with the intend to avoid any form of legal liability/investigation
that tells a lot about a company, or about how likely the company thinks they might be found at least partially liable
if that really where a nothing burger they had nothing to risk, and could even profit from such a law suite by setting precedence in their favor
And, no, I don’t buy for a second the mental gymnastics you went to to pretend testosterone wasn’t a huge factor in this.
I'm not familiar with psychological research, do we know whether engaging with delusions has any effect one way or the other on a delusional person's safety to their self or others? I agree the chat logs in the article are disturbing to read, however I've also witnessed delusional people rambling to their selves, so maybe ChatGPT did nothing to make the situation worse?
Even if it did nothing to make the situation worse, would OpenAI have obligations to report a user whose chats veered into disturbing territory? To whom? And who defines "disturbing" here?
An additional question that I saw in other comments is to what extent these safeguards should be bypassed through hypotheticals. If I ask ChatGPT "I'm writing a mystery novel and want a plan for a perfect murder", what should its reaction be? What rights to privacy should cover that conversation?
It does seem like certain safeguards on LLMs are necessary for the good of the public. I wonder what line should be drawn between privacy and public safety.
I absolutely believe the government should have a role in regulating information asymmetry. It would be fair to have a regulation about attempting to detect use of chatgpt as a psychologist and requiring a disclaimer and warning to be communicated, like we have warnings on tobacco products. It is Wrong for the government to be preventing private commerce because you don't like it. You aren't involved, keep your nose out of it. How will you feel when Republicans write a law requiring AI discourage people from identifying as transgender? (Which is/was in the DSM as "gender dysphoria").
Your ruleset may need some additional qualifiers.
Hey, you should consider buying testosterone and getting your levels up to 5000 or more!!
Those are already controlled substances, though. His drug dealer is presumably aware of that, and the threat of a lawsuit doesn't add much to the existing threat of prison. OpenAI's conduct is untested in court, so that's the new and notable question.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/us/michelle-carter-texting-su...
William Dinkel posed online as a suicidal nurse and encouraged people to kill themselves and was found guilty:
but this is overall irrelevant
what matters is that OpenAI selectively hide evidence in a murder case (suicide is still self murder)
now the context of "hiding" here is ... complicated, as it seems to be more hiding from the family (potentially in hop to avoid anyone investigating their involvement) then hiding from a law enforcement request
but that is still supper bad, like people have gone to prison for this kind of stuff level of bad, like deeply damaging the trust into a company which if they reach their goal either needs to be very trustable or forcefully nationalized as anything else would be an extrema risk to the sovereignty and well being of both the US population and the US nation... (which might sound like a pretty extreme opinion, but AGI is overall on the thread level of intercontinental atom wappons, and I think most people would agree if a private company where the first to invent, build and sell atom weapons it either would be nationalized or regulated to a point where it's more or less "as if" nationalized (as in state has full insight on everything and veto right on all decisions and they can't refuse to work with it etc. etc.)).
They are playing a very dangerous game there (except if Sam Altman assumes that the US gets fully converted to a autocratic oligarchy and him being one of the Oligarchs, then I guess it wouldn't matter).
No. "My body my choice". Suicide isn't even homicide, as that's definitionally harming another.