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Doesn't mean artists should make it easy for these AI companies to steal artist IP. It doesn't take long to do and seems effective enough from what I've seen. BTW This is how cybersecurity works (cat and mouse etc)

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What's with the "stealing" lingo? We were all making fun of the RIAA for conflating copyright infringement with stealing ("you wouldn't steal a car") and now we're doing the same?

The tides have turned; everyone here loves and respects copyright now.

The problem is that it is an inherently intractable problem with the (temporary) solution space shrinking with each mitigation, as the images still needs to look good to people.

Exactly. This isn't like encryption where you can just keep adding more bits. Every iteration that gets closer to simulating how people see sets the floor.

Real security systems don't publicize how they work.

This is just grandstanding. Half the people from this lab will go on to work for AI companies.

> Real security systems don't publicize how they work.

175 years of history would disagree with you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity

That old saw. Downvote all you want. Adversarial engineering does indeed rely on obscurity, they just don't tell you that.

I've been working in security for more than 20 years and have seen the deleterious effects of security through obscurity first-hand. Why does "adversarial engineering" rely on obscurity?

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