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Regardless of your opinion of maduro, you can still acknowledge that if the head of a sovereign state enacts policies that result in the mass emigration of 8M to neighboring countries, destabilizing all of them [1],[2] in the process, exporting criminal enterprises, any affected head of the affected government certainly has casus belli on said head of state.

The policy of no aggression applies. If a government, thru its actions (or inactions) causes massive aggression and hurt on your own people, then its your *duty* as elected official, to stop it and protect your citizens

Self-defense is literally the most important mandate a government can have.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/crime-migration-spect...

[2] https://www.cgdev.org/publication/data-against-fear-what-num...

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Amusingly what you described translates to USA actions if you are from a country in the middle east. For example did you know that there are at least 5M emigrants of Afghanistan in Iran?

Not arguing about other nations actions, just a reminder that if you apply many western logic indiscriminately, the resulting bad actors are very different.

And you'd be right.

9/11 did not come out of a vaccumm

Unfortunately, everyday Americans' security is deeply impacted by the clowns with office desks in DC, since the 1990s.

It's not lost on me that I may lose living relatives living in the US because of Kissinger playing RISK for a living, back in the day.

Just as the clowns in government made horrible decisions and should potentially be legally in jeopardy for them, I can also say they are getting the venezuela one, right (at least for now).

The reasons for doing something and public justification, aka casus belli, are different things. Casus belli makes it cheaper to execute, but reasons are what actually drives them.

The clowns and the reasons that drive them are the same for Middle East and Venezuela. Does it make it any better that they happened to have a casus belli that you or I may sympathesize with, given that the reasons not in line with our values? Even a broken clock is right once a day.

The difference between casus belly and a state of war is: Casus Belli is a 1-time event, whereas State of War means ongoing action that is bellicose in nature.

So i chose my words wrong.

I'd argue that a state of war already existed, well before the events in the gulf. It just didn't involve formal military movements.

I think there were that many immigrants. I don’t believe they are so many living there now. Iran demonstrated pretty conclusively that mass repatriation is completely possible if you have a government that actually wishes to do so.

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