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Several law abiding citizens have been caught up in the ice dragnet. Pay attention.

Several? Like three?

3/600,000 removals in 2025 = .000005% chance

So, to answer his question: not realistic at all that you'll get deported as a citizen. That's without fact checking you. I haven't seen anything about actual citizens being removed, including in the sibling comment claiming it with a reference.

> Besides, how realistic is a fear that a law abiding citizen would be endangered by the ICE?

Perhaps you are having trouble following the conversation. The argument put forth by OP is that ICE is endangering american citizens. That is factually true.

https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...

Oh sorry, you snuck that and changed the subject in while we were taking about people being deported, to try to salvage a point.

I'm way more concerned with regular law enforcement endangering American citizens than ICE.

I didn’t sneak anything in - you failed to follow a thread. Why are you trying to put that on me? It’s okay to admit fault and take responsibility. It is obvious at this point that you do not care or won’t take the time to understand the conversation or respond in good faith.

My concern covers all LEO fucking with American citizens, especially the masked and unidentified ones.

So anyway, per your link: 170 citizens "wrapped up" by ice during between 327,000 and 605,000 deportations, depending on which source you like (I linked them in a different response to you in another thread).

Between .0005% and .0003% chance that if ICE grabs someone up, they're a citizen. I think that's a pretty good record, actually. I don't think it's very alarming.

We have 348 million citizens, 170 got held for...days! While we conducted the most effective deportation of illegals in history.

I'm pretty sure ICE isn't going to accidentally get me. This problem may as well be non-existent.

What's real is actual citizens wrapped up in actual bullshit with regular LEO. With probably several orders of magnitude difference, wouldn't you agree? Maybe thousands per day, instead of 170 per year? Costing folks more than a few days' detention.

Why do you figure they're wearing masks?

I think that's extremely alarming, given the fact they are trying to deport people as fast as possible so they don't have time for a hearing in front of a judge. The hearing that they are supposedly guaranteed by the fifth amendment to the Constitution!

Which citizen was deported without seeing a judge?

If you mean they're deporting illegals without them seeing a judge, I'd be in favor of that.

Why does a 0% chance of a citizen being deported alarm you?

You might be in favor of it, but the Constitution they are sworn to defend is absolutely not in favor of it. It's frankly unamerican.

Hey dummy, the point of having an immigration hearing is to establish whether or not the deportation is legal.

Why do you think deportation is the only thing that matters? We've seen ICE fuck up the lives of American citizens by destroying their property, illegally holding them, arresting entire buildings etc in Chicago. And there is zero recourse for these blatant violations. How about you open up your wallet and pay for their crimes if you're willing to go to bat for them so hard?

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