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After the MeToo allegations, his contributions have been removed—or at least significantly downplayed—in Disney and Pixar’s accounts of Pixar’s origins.

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This is demonstrably not true.

He has fairly equal representation as the other founders on their history page

https://www.pixar.com/our-story

He also is directly mentioned in the Disney+ docuseries on ILM, and was part of Catmul’s retrospective on Toy Story as recently as this year

https://youtu.be/q1Uq8b2ooVk?si=zjHSHjGHtymH-kKy

Pixar and Disney haven’t been shying away from his involvement in their history

Hm, the fact that he was mentioned or referenced does not prove that his role was downplayed, a quick search of the interwebs shows:

- 2018 Oscars: Despite his massive influence on Coco, none of the filmmakers mentioned him by name in their acceptance speeches for Best Animated Feature.

- Film Premieres: Lasseter did not attend the 2018 premiere of Incredibles 2, a film he was heavily involved in, further signaling his detachment from official company events.

His involvement in both those films was as member of the brain trust. The brain trust consists of all their prior directors.

Go back through their many Oscar wins and they don’t thank the brain trust members individually. They don’t thank their department heads either who are more involved than any members of the brain trust are.

I think you are the one who is perhaps overplaying his involvement in those specific films without a concrete understanding of what his contributions were.

With guys who are in prestigious/powerful corporate positions, I wonder if there is a fundamental issue where everybody tends to brown nose them, but female brown nosing sometimes gets misinterpreted as flirtation and interest.

And because guys in these sorts of positions actually do get an overpowered amount of real interest from women, they may have a harder time detecting inauthentic interest-alias than say a random janitor guy who a woman is being artificially nice to for some reason.

And then if the guy mistakenly thinks the woman is interested and makes a move, the woman may then in the moment feel unsure about what to do, because an abrupt rejection that contradicts their earlier outward behavior may make them feel not good, they might feel like they caused it, etc (which I think lines up with accounts I’ve read, except they don’t mention the brown nosing part of the theorized pattern).

This doesn’t excuse anything, necessarily, I just wonder if there are some complex dynamics at play. This setup we have where sexual relations are at will, subject only to consent, is not that old, so it wouldn’t be surprising if the system as-is still produces very bad outcomes at times even if the parties involved are all behaving in a non-psychopathic way.

The problem with your hypothesis is that 'a woman being nice to you' (brown-nosing or otherwise) is in absolutely no way whatsoever flirting. Flirting is an entirely different way of behaving.

Yeah, sure, the plot of The Hot Chick is totally imaginary and not used as a satire on the behaviour of some people. Especially in those scenes at the cafe. Yes.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0302640/?ref_=sr_t_3

Thank you for verifying how all women behave and act, as if they are all identical.

Then, using that stereotypical behaviour to chastise others.

You also presume that "brown nosing" is the same category as "being nice". It's not. Brown nosing is a non-genuine, fabricated expression.

So is the woman faking "being nice" due to brow nosing, or faking "being nice" due to sexual interest?

The parent poster was merely wondering if this is hard to discern, and even indicated that it "doesn't make it right".

Your response is part of what is wrong with such dynamics today. Knee jerk reactions to speculation is not called for.

Did you miss where I said “misinterpreted”?

Men also sometimes misinterpret waitresses as flirting with them when they aren’t, which is another common entry point for sexual harassment. What I’m describing would be similar to that. Would you say that doesn’t happen either, or are they somehow completely different?

You might want to go read the actual accusations. One woman said Lasseter felt her up under the table at meeting(s).

I’m not sure how that goes against what I said? If the man is confused and thinks the woman is very interested in him (again because he is confused), that could absolutely happen. I guarantee it’s happened in other cases where the two have gone on to happily date or marry. The only difference would be that in those cases the man wasn’t confused about the woman’s interest.

There's a reason this stuff is illegal. The person being groped is effectively helpless since the person doing the groping is in a position of power over their life.

It really doesn't matter if the boss is confused. Someone with a position of power over another should not do this period. The person being groped risks their job if they speak up.

He was known (warning among women) to involuntarily hug pretty women and try to kiss them on the mouth

https://variety.com/2017/film/news/john-lasseter-pixar-disne...

This is unacceptable- period

Nobody is saying it’s acceptable. Are we unable to have discussions about the causes of bad things, or do we just have to frown and say they are bad over and over again?

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