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As someone who has been primarily Mac for most of my life, I started using a Windows machine fairly recently for work.

I'm tied down to the Windows eco-system (Teams, Outlook, etc).

I still haven't gotten use to the idea of every link in Microsoft apps opening in Edge regardless of your settings.

This might seem like a small thing, but the entire UX seems to be designed around benefiting Microsoft, not the user.

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It is incredibly user hostile. And it's not even free. This is an ecosystem you pay for.

They're treating folks shelling out $200 for an OS as if they were cattle on the adtech train.

Here's hoping that Apple can correct-course from this path. Last time I daily-drove macOS (Sequoia) it was pushing adverts in my face with every native app I launched.

I spend 8 hours a day on Sequoia and I haven't seen any adverts in any native app?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251488227

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250786208

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254431520

  Having talked to Apple Support, there is no way to disable the pop-up permanently due to Apple's Promotional Policy.

There are certainly ads for Apple services if you don't already use them (or in the case of Apple Music, sometimes even if you do use it because the app is pretty bad), and there are sponsored ads in the App Store now.

I wouldn't say it's in any way equivalent to Windows 11, but it does feel like Apple is following a similar path as Microsoft, just with a little more Apple design on top.

Huh? I use macOS all day every day and I’ve never seen an ad.

iOS and macOS will nag you regarding iCloud if you don't sign up/in. Apple advertised... something, I forget what it was, via an Apple Wallet notification this past year (?). Might have been for the F1 movie when it was in theaters.

With respect - bull.

With respect, every single search query in the App Store displays advertisements by-default, and you know that.

You know you’re moving the goalposts, don’t you? I’ll grant you that the App Store and Music show ads. But that’s not what you claimed originally, is it?

What specific apps are showing ads?

Well, if you buy a new device and don’t enroll in AppleCare, you have a little red notification in the settings. I have two notifications currently that I cannot get rid of until the 60 window expires. I would consider this an ad.

Who is actually shelling out $200 for Windows specifically?

It's perceptually free if you bought it with your PC. And it's actually free if you took advantage of the free upgrade offer.

I've picked up a few licenses off MacHeist for like $10

The cost is rolled into your PC when you buy it. Its not free.

Your $10 licenses are not legal. Sorry. Those are sketchy grey market keys. Though Microsoft likely won't go after you for it, so I'm not sure it matters.

You should have just saved the $10 and downloaded a cracked copy.

You’d rather have an unofficial ISO?

Why?

If they're authenticated when I install the OS, what makes them illegal?

Cracked copy = trusting some shady 3rd party

I'm not going to switch to piracy to avoid some gray market sketchiness, as long as the keys don't seem to be stolen.

Never had issues activating the Windows keys nor the Office keys I've bought from them. And I always get the installers straight from Microsoft.

> perceptually free

Bizarre phrase. If you think mandatory bundling is free stuff then your perception is not very good.

Either way it's a hell of a lot less than $200 in that situation.

> every link in Microsoft apps opening in Edge regardless of your settings.

fwiw, there is a setting in Teams itself to have it use your default browser instead, on top of having to change it on a system level. This does not work when using the PWA though

Lol I have looked through the settings 57 times and only just now found that because of your note. Much appreciated.

It's by design completely self serving. It's no longer a product for the users the users are the product.

Unfortunately I think it can and it will get a LOT worse before the push back will make any difference.

After all most users are not tech savvy and will be stuck with whatever is installed when they buy the machine and for the corporate there aren't any real alternatives.

This is the fault of whoever is administrating your Windows machines, Teams and Outlook are perfectly capable of opening links in your configured default browser.

>I'm tied down to the Windows eco-system (Teams, Outlook, etc)

All of them are available for the Mac.

The explanation is one sentence prior.

> I started using a Windows machine fairly recently for work.

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