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Where does google struggle to make products people don’t want to use? Is it a personal opinion?

Bart was a flop. Google search is losing market share to other LLM providers. Gemini adoption is low, people around me prefer OpenAI because it is good enough and known.

But on the contrary, Nano Banana is very good, so I don't know. And in the end, I'm pretty confident Google will be the AI race winner, because they got the engineers, they tech background and the money. Unless Google Adsense die, they can continue the race forever.

what are you talking about Gemini adoption has tripled in a few months alone and have around 18% of marketshare and its accelerating.

I’ve heard too many rumors that much of that adoption is from copying ms i.e. bundling gemini into their office suite

Gemini adoption via search is legit, though. I had a question, I got an answer, its not forced, fake adoption in that case.

It's hardly legit for everyone. I had a question, I got an incorrect answer I didn't ask for, scrolled past it and got actual results.

Fair

gemini is in basically everything from google now, from google docs to firebase to android studio so i wouldn't be surprised...

I'm talking about adoption around me. I didn't check the data. Glad it works for them outside of people around me, didn't know that.

Is it relative adoption or absolute ? I mean, the people using Gemini are they new or coming from another provider, like OpenAI ? (said differently: Is Google eating OpenAI lunch or just reaching new customers ?)

If Google is producing very good models and they aren’t gaining much traction, that seems like a pretty bad sign for them, right? If they were failing with bad models, the solution would be easy: math and engineer harder, make better models (I mean, this is obviously very hard but it is a clear path). Failing with good models is… confusing, it indicates there’s some unknown problem.

It’s irrelevant, Google needs to focus on performance enhancements that the enterprise market segment demands - who only operate in the air of objectivity.

If they can achieve that they will cut off a key source of blood supply to MSFT+OAI. There is not much money in the consumer market segment from subscribers and entering the ad-business is going to be a lot tougher than people think.

> Gemini adoption is low, people around me prefer OpenAI because it is good enough and known.

Gemini is built into Android and Google search. People may not be going to gemini.google.com, but that does not mean adoption is low.

I mean it’s a simple Google search to show that Google isn’t loosing much market share to ChatGPT and most ChatGPT users still use Google.

https://searchengineland.com/nearly-all-chatgpt-users-visit-...

But even more importantly, it obviously isn’t losing money from advertisers to ChatGPT. You can look at their quarterly results.

Anti Gravity is a flop. I mean it uses Gemini under the hood.

But you cannot use it with an API key.

If you're on a workspace account, you can't have normal individual plan.

You have to have the team plan with $100/month or nothing.

Google's product management tier is beyond me.

OK, but Gmail, Google Maps, Google Docs, and Google Search etc are ubiquitous. `Google' has even become a verb. Google might take a shotgun approach, but it certainly does create widely used products.

That doesn't negate my original point.

I will add that there's also Gemini in Chrome. With Chrome being the largest browser by market share, that's a powerful de facto default.

  > With Chrome being the largest browser by market share, that's a powerful de facto default.

where art thou anti-trust enforcement...

Every personal computer user except Chromebook users went out of their way to download Chrome. What exactly do you want “anti trust” to do?

maybe not allow google to bundle gemini with chrome?

So should we also not allow OpenAI to bundle the OpenAI model with the ChatGPT app

Absolutely no one besides ChromeOS users are forced to use Chrome.

Anti-trust doesn’t have to involve force, but monopolistic behavior.

Google has spent over a decade advertising Chrome on all their properties and has an unlimited budget and active desire to keep Chrome competitive. Mozilla famously needs Google’s sponsorship to stay solvent. Apple maintains Safari to have no holes in their ecosystem.

Stop being silly defending trillion dollar companies that are actively making the internet worse, it’s not productive or funny.

And poor little under capitalized Microsoft and Apple couldn’t compete?

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