Why people are mad at Framework
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I'm pro-LGBT+ ("ally"), pro-DEI, ecologist, anything left you name it I'd say, and I'm not mad at FW.
I did not know about this story, neither about Omarchy or DHH, neither even about Hyprland (I don't use Wayland).
And I think that none of those stuff really matter a lot...
Never force your opinion upon someone else and nobody will ever dislike you, they might not want to be around you - but they will never dislike you.
So sharing one's opinion is forcing it on others? That's silly.
> I disagree and have noticed that people will still dislike you for any random reason or no reason at all.
I agree. But why is that a problem? Why are we so culturally obsessed about being liked? This seems like a real-world manifestation of virtual "likes" we're used to from social media.
Nothing happens if someone doesn't like you, or even explicitly says so. Let alone if they're a stranger with zero influence on your reality. Nothing happens if you're offended.[1]
The fact there are generations of people who equate the feeling of being offended with physical harm is one of the great delusions of modern society.
> Nothing happens if someone doesn't like you
Hard disagree, people have been killed just because they were disliked or offended, even if they appear to be a "stranger with zero influence on your reality."
> The fact there are generations of people who equate the feeling of being offended with physical harm is one of the great delusions of modern society.
I think it's because it does actually happen. I was almost punched yesterday just because I parked next to a guy. He was upset I didn't park "literally anywhere else" and was clearly embarrassing his wife and kids by hurling slurs at someone for absolutely no good reason at all.
as for people causing others to kill themselves, well same could be applied with the slight difference of them turning that into a weapon to use against others as a coping mechanism.
this is really a topic that deserves very long and thoughtful discussion that you cannot achieve in hackernews comments.
Then there is the performative aspect of this. One of the unfortunate side effects of our social media virtually hyper "connected" and engagement-driven society are performative thoughts and actions. People will do anything for views and likes, including behaving in ways that mimic certain trends. There are examples of people faking diseases and doing insane stunts all for engagement and a chance at their 15 minutes of fame. This has transformed how our culture operates both online and offline, turning into this weird feedback loop.
To be clear: I'm not downplaying real societal problems like racism, discrimination, and abusive behaviour. But we're too quick to incriminate people for thoughtcrimes. It's truly dystopian if you think about it.
It's really hard to not become hateful towards a group of people when you are shoved information about how x group is doing x which is doing x and causing x (x100 a day), at some point it becomes reality that you believe in.
However, I also started to believe that there is always a natural balancing effect - the more you start to enforce your personal beliefs and ideals the bigger the shadow you cast which manifests in it swinging back and creating groups of people who fundementally dislike the idea, ideology or activity from the way they were brought up, historical experience and even religious beliefs and when there is a group of people that have experienced similar issues end up becoming extremely toxic feeding eachother and reinforcing the false reality.
Yeah, psychological manipulation is a large problem that's mostly unacknowledged. Entire industries rely on it (e.g. advertising), and the platforms we've built can be used by anyone to push their agenda.
> However, I also started to believe that there is always a natural balancing effect
That's true, but the thing is that there's so much noise, with everyone pulling in their own direction, and most of it being machine curated and generated, that there's no chance for civil discourse and common understanding to happen. We have no way of discerning fact from fiction anymore, and whether someone is actually being honest, or if we're talking to a real person at all. All of this produces a cacophony of viewpoints where the loudest party "wins". To be honest, I don't think we can get out of this situation, save for backtracking on and strictly regulating many of the systems we have in place today, which has no chance of happening, and could have its own problems. So things can only get much worse, before they get any better, if at all.