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Thanks for the thought but from what I’ve heard from friends I’ll be keeping the final season unwatched just like I did with the last 2 episodes of GoT.

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The first season was the only really good one.

Exactly, even the second one was a poor caricature.

I don't understand this at all. The episode 4 ending was up there with Dear Billy for me.

It's been a while - I remember liking the first two seasons. Season three felt a bit silly to me without going into much detail (we need a spoiler text wrapper for HN). Season four has a lot of "zombie-esque" stuff which just doesn't have near the dread horror that the first two seasons did IMHO. Haven't seen any of the final season.

Yes I also let my girlfriend skip the last two episodes. Tyrion Lannister did say "if you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention".

As someone who hasn't watched GoT, only heard of it from others, let me guess: In those two episodes everyone dies a very cruel and painful death, except for one or two main characters?

Everyone already died a painful and cruel death for the first four seasons, that was what made the show so compelling to watch.

From that point on, everyone gets 10 inch thick plot armour, and then the last two episodes skip a whole season or two of character development to try and box the show off quickly.

Not just skips a whole season of development, they actively retcon things from one episode to the next!

Death is not a problem in GoT, the exact opposite, it is what the show is known for.

It's the way stuff is done, the characters' changed behavior, incomprehensible logic, stupid explanations, etc.

No. Why not just watch it instead of guessing.

If literally everybody had died in GoT and the White Walkers had destroyed the world it would have been an infinitely better ending than what they actually wrote into the show. It also would have been on brand for the show and the books themselves.

Television writers pussying out in their finales is its own meme at this point. Makes me respect David Chase and how The Sopranos ended all that much more.

That was Ramsay Bolton who said that, I believe.

It’s very bad.

It really isn't. I keep seeing comparisons to the last seasons of Game of Thrones, but while there is a dip in quality this season, it is no where near as bad as what happened to GoT.

GoT got so bad that I don't really have any desire to watch any of the seasons ever again. Killed rewatchability.

I rewatched it in recent weeks and enjoyed all the bits that I enjoyed years ago during the first watch. The stories I found a bit tedious first time (High Sparrow plotline, Arya and faceless men) weren't as miserable; I think I was expecting them to drag on even more. My biggest grievance on the rewatch was just how poorly it's all tied up. I again enjoyed The Long Night through the lens of 'spectacle over military documentary'. The last season just felt like they wrote themselves into a corner and didn't have time and patience to see it through. By that point, actors were ready to move on, etc.

Not the actors, the showrunners.

I don't really view this as the show runners fault. GRRM was unable to complete his own work. The show worked best when it drew from the authors own material (GRRM was a screenwriter himself and knew how to write great dialog/scenes).

It's absolutely the producer's fault. They actively choose to release the product they did instead of making more episodes, taking long, bringing other people in to help, etc.

Martin has claimed he flew to HBO to convince them to do 10 seasons of 10 episodes instead of the 8 seasons with just 8 episodes in the final one [1]. It was straight up just D.B. Weiss and David Benioff call how the series ended.

[1]: https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/george-rr-martin-shut-out-g...

They, like 7kids and 4 adults, I did not bother to count, did attack military base, with actual military trained personnel with military equipment. And they did succeed. This is not bad? They just stroll in upside down and nothing ever attacks them. Where the swarm of bats disappeared? When demogorgons attack to kidnap kids they come from upside down. But in upside down they nowhere to be seen. Military general could disappear from the series and it would have no impact. Maybe they just wanted woman in position of power? Demogorgons attack entire military base personnel and kill dozens of people but then they are killed by hospital patient. When and why she setup that trap exactly? And how she now can speak? How white goo is easy to brake but also solid enough so it does not brake under the pressure of the entire building ? How and why it just appears and solidifies in the exact right moment? And excuse me.... But wormhole? Could not they thing of something else? Oh and Vecna killing a guy. And we did not even see what was in the case. They are under strict quarantine but have personnel smuggler that can just bring them everything they want. It is not bad it is terrible.

> And we did not even see what was in the case.

You know there are two more episodes, right? That seems like an obvious finale reveal.

They were not even in hurry. If that was important for the viewers it should be even more important to the characters. If this was not important and they do not care then the whole premise of traumatic Vecna memory was useless pile of utter garbage because memory cannot be traumatic and not important. Ever had trauma doing grocerries? Or riding a cab? And then they should not be able to escape. Because he would get them before that.

They just invent stuff that they have no idea how to explain later. Just like Lost.

I’ve never watched Game of Thrones, but I doubt their dialogue is so robotic and frankly just feels incredibly formulaic. It just feels like ST ran out of ideas three years ago and have just been recycling the same scene over and over and over again.

All of the characters are constantly arguing with each other. The story line requires constant suspension of belief based on the endless succession of improbable events and improbable character behaviors. Contradictions with earlier episodes and even details within the same episode. It's really bad. I hope the final episode redeems it but I have my doubts. I want to have an LLM rewrite season 5 and see how much it improves.

problem is the dialogues sounded to me anyway like they were already written by an LLM

Can you give an example of a contradiction within the same episode?

Idk, the grey goo for instance. It melts steel and concrete but not people and killed soldiers but not main characters.

There are also stupid leaps of faith like Holly's mom hobbling out of bed and sticking an oxygen tank in a clothes dryer(as if that would even do anything)...

It's almost like you're living in an alternate universe where everything is just a little bit better.

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