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Maybe I'm missing something here: the great thing about self-hosting is that you choose if and when you update your back-end software. What's stopping self-hosting admins from simply staying on a known good version and forking that if they so desire?

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Security updates is what's stopping them often.

You also realistically can't fork things unless multiple people do, and they all stay interested in the fork.

You don't have to expose your self-hosted services on the Internet to begin with. 0day bugs do exist even if you diligently apply all security updates.

making sure that your system is not exposed to the internet takes effort too. and then you realize you want to share something with friends or family, or access your home server from remote. you also want updates for new features too eventually.

There are different degrees of "exposed to the internet." You don't need to make your self-hosted services fully accessible by anyone from everywhere. VPN, IP whitelists, mTLS, HTTP basic auth, etc. change the calculus of security and feature updates. You can afford to lag a bit behind on updates because you're not running critical enterprise infrastructure at scale.

Pretty much every home router, network firewall, and host-based firewall is set to deny all by default, so the effort is mostly needed to allow exposure to the Internet.

Have the advantage of hosting content on Plex and other media servers that you can play them remotely. I can be on the other side of the Earth and still access my media. This is an extremely common use case.

You can put them behind wireguard and still have all this without exposing it

you choose if and when you update your back-end software

That's what we say it's about. But it's really about open source devs being our slaves forever. Get to work, Mattermost! (whip crack)

Did you read the Github issue? These guys are paying customers.

If so that is indeed shitty. I thought they were crippling the free tier.

I was wrong. They were only nerfing the free self-hosted tier. I misread a few comments there.

Where are you seeing that? From what I can tell, the 10k message limit applies to "Mattermost Entry":

> Mattermost Entry gives small, forward-leaning teams a free self-hosted Intelligent Mission Environment to get started on improving their mission-critical secure collaborative workflows. Entry has all features of Enterprise Advanced with the following server-wide limitations and omissions:

https://docs.mattermost.com/product-overview/editions-and-of...

What the fuck is this lmao? "a free self-hosted Intelligent Mission Environment to get started on improving their mission-critical secure collaborative workflows".

Sounds like some kind of parody of enterprise software.

I don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s a free tier.

They are not paying customers. From the announcement [1]:

> What This Means for Existing Deployments

> Paid Customers: No action required—your deployments are unaffected.

[1] https://forum.mattermost.com/t/mattermost-v11-changes-in-fre...

Can't edit anymore - I was wrong here.

I saw "we're happy to pay for it" and thought they were paying for it. They're not, yet.

Yea, here “we’re happy to pay for it” really means “we’re not happy to pay the price you’re charging, but maybe we’d pay if you fundamentally changed your prices or pricing model.”

It’s even better than that. You no longer like Plex? Alternatives like Jellyfin are there, you can use them on the same media library

The Plex rug-pull from excellent software to commercial gimmick happened years ago when they removed your ability to search your personal media library.

I assumed that they were being forced by the copyright mafia, but they’re perfectly capable of making these decisions on their own.

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