function isThermalThrottling() {
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Seriously, I loved that computer for the most part but I was a little annoyed that I paid a lot of money for the i9 CPU just to get worse performance than the i7. function isThermalThrottling() {
return true;
}
Seriously, I loved that computer for the most part but I was a little annoyed that I paid a lot of money for the i9 CPU just to get worse performance than the i7.A dumb thing for sure. I still like macos better than windows and I'm heavily invested in a production workflow with logic. Moving to linux would be my next move, but after making that dumb change it's quite a functional machine.
It was so much of a problem that at work we added a check that you were charging from the right ports to our internal doctor script (think like `brew doctor`).
99% of the time it works 100% of the time.
Outside of the terrible speakers, it is a nearly perfect computer. I don’t really mind a crappy speaker on a laptop since it usually lives on mute and when I need decent-enough quality audio I will plug in headphones or Bluetooth to a speaker, but YMMV.
Still, if this computer ever breaks then I will likely buy another thinkpad.
The epic takedown post of the issue on stackexchange which proved it is below, I ended up at it from somewhere on social I think.
Took awhile to diagnose that one.
Same here, but...
> I have to charge it from the right hand ports. I think that is dumb, but it did solve the issue.
I _had to_ do this for a while (around 2023, I think, not that it matters), but I no longer have to. I don't know what has changed, unfortunately; I haven't reinstalled anything, and I can't say I have uninstalled anything either. It's really weird...
After buying it, I regularly had throttling issues. Nothing seemed to help. I tried all the recommended tricks but wasn’t getting anywhere. (I had two external monitors and using adobe creative suite back then.)
I came across some forum posts about the VRM module not being able to cool and that was making the system think it was overheating. It sounded reasonable so I decided to give it a shot. I got the thermal pads, carefully opened the laptop and applied a few layers to the various components to make sure it was touching the case (this is what makes this mod work properly, heat transfer to the aluminum case.)
It worked like magic, it felt like a brand new computer after months of bad experiences.
Only side effect was that bottom case gets really hot (that heat needs to go somewhere) so I couldn’t comfortably use it on my lap. But I never regretted doing the mod for a second!
I retired what was my then favorite computer for an M3 MacBook Air with 24gb ram and couldn’t be happier. I still have fond memories of my 16 inch 2019 MacBook Pro, if you still use that computer, please do yourself a favor and at least look into adding thermal pads to the VRM modules.
I had dell and swapped it as soon as was possible to i7.
I think they just made those only because they knew there will be enough people thinking “bigger better CPU == better laptop” - and yeah seems like I am not the only one that got caught with that. But I also trusted that someone there did any testing…
It turned out a lot of the thermal throttling (kernel_task usage) on the i9 macbook pros went away if you plugged in the power on the right side, instead of the left.
Why turned out to be a chip (thunderbolt I think) that didn't have enough cooling.
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/363337/how-to-find...
One could also put quiet cabinet fans under the i9 Macbook Pro to make it draw air away and run markedly faster. [1]
That, combined with the keyboard failures, meant I could put a wireless keyboard on top of the laptop keyboard and use it, with fans underneath.
This is how I took it to the Apple store for warranty repair, which made a point of it having a pretty massive design flaw.
I asked them this if it was a feature of all macbooks when you buy the fastest ones to have to cool it the right way and not use the keyboard in case there might be dust in the air. The laptop was way too overspecced.
The i9 laptops were made far too thin to cool themselves appropriately in any situation, full stop.
All to say, if I could detect which USB-C port was pulling power in, on those laptops, I could guess pretty accurately what will happen on that i9.
It's sad to know the M4 Max Macbook Pro has the same issue, even though the laptop is thicker. Doesn't make me want to upgrade anymore.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-MULTIFAN-Receiver-Playsta...
I have an M1 Max MBP now and it has been absolutely perfect.
My favorite and most painful issue was a bug in USB charging. Sometimes it would fail to charge from my monitor (USB-C) yet it would believe it’s connected. The battery would eventually run to zero and the machine would shutoff without warning. No low battery warning would be shown because it believed it was charging however it was not. Resolved with my M3.
Also fun with that generation is that you can’t plug in a dead laptop and start using it right away. Takes about ten minutes of charging before you can power it on.
Also fun, it would not establish power delivery with my monitor in this state. I’d have to plug it in with a regular charger to bootstrap it. Also resolved with my M3.
Now that it’s aged, the super capacitor for the clock no longer holds charge and the time is usually wrong on cold boot. I wish that was serviceable.
It was the third Asus computer I had owned that broke way earlier than it had any right to, and I swore a blood oath that I will not buy another Asus product.
Point is, considering how terrible that laptop was, “annoying thermal throttling” was still a considerable upgrade, so I loved it in spite of it.
When the Apple Silicon models were released, everybody attributed the lower fan noise improvements entirely to the new chip, but the newer chassis had a much better thermal solution too.
I could run my M1 MacBook Pro at similar power draws to my Intel MacBook Pro and the M1 would be very quiet while the Intel sounded like a hair dryer.
I don't remember it being super uncomfortably on my lap, though I almost exclusively wear very thick jeans so maybe I was somewhat shielded. It did get super hot.
Despite that, I did actually like the laptop a lot; it had a nice heavy weight to it, which was actually good for me since it felt very firm when I typed on it on my desk, and the keyboard was nice to type on. It benefited from low expectations because the laptop it was replacing was an Asus that was such a piece of shit that I swore a blood oath that I would never give Asus money ever again, which I have not broken.