Colon cleaning company sues WordPress
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Can we all at least agree that pseudoscience is bad and litigious pseudoscience is very bad?
Basically, outrage is a boring thing to read about. If we have productive ideas about what to do about this, that's good, and if we have insights about the matter (e.g. the Romanian legal system), that's good, but it's fairly pointless just to comment, "Grr, this is wrong and I am very angry, rabble rabble rabble."
More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Rath#Illegal_AIDS_tria...
Also this chapter coincided with our then president Thabo Mbeki making typically over-academic assertions that HIV does not cuase aids and our then health minister fuckface Tshablala Msimang (she of the stolen liver) telling AIDS sufferers to eat bearoot and garlic.
Evil compounded.
Please forgive my rant. I am a proud South African sickened by the suffering our people have been subjected to.
Everyone loves to be in on 'how the world really works' TM.
And as far as I can tell, the military-entertainment-pharma-tourism-complex, or whatever it is this week, is hardly doing itself many favours in not making people in the poorer bits of the world utterly paranoid and suspect everything of being some massive trick. I mean, people there have to put up with repeated nestle marketing campaigns to discourage breastfeeding when there's fuck-all clean water[1]. At least here in the UK they just try to addict us to sugar and drugs instead.
And that's not in some old colonial past, that kind of shit happens today. I mean, when you have stuff like the CIA faking an immunisation program in Pakistan to sample for DNA[2] while looking for Ernst Stavro Blofeld or whatever, then no wonder some people believe in Mattias Rath. And their fear makes him a lot of money.
[1] still going on in 2011 - http://www.irinnews.org/Report/93040/LAOS-NGOs-flay-Nestl%C3...
[2] http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/pakistan-polio-fak...
[edit] Oh, and I'd completely agree that Mbeki & Msimang do appear to be completely and utterly cynical power-crazy bastards.
Did they sue in an American court?
Anyway, no big deal yet as I'm remaining anonymous and I'm sure Automatic Inc will be fine, however the principle of the thing is bothering me. They already stoped proper criticism because the person had a domain and a whois search gave his name and address away.
I don't plan on stopping and will continue to critique products which are bulshit naming them on purpose.
I already did this with Power Balance (5-th in results) and they did not sue or react much.
This is a big company though, they sold over 200.000 products at 35$ a piece (this is a lot in Romania)
Too bad you don't have the FTC over there.
It's quite shitty that after all this time Romania is still such a piece of work. Every month or so I read up on more stuff regarding it, and thank my folks for coming to Canada 6 years ago.
Or is it just me?
Would be similar to calling Procter & Gamble a cleaning company because they sell cleaning agents.
It does bug me that he never mentioned them directly by name in this post.
> The company name is Zenyth Pharmaceuticals
> Their main brand and product is ColonHelp.
And yeah "Deny reality" is simply link bait. Everyone claims they have reality on their side. That's why lawyers exist, and so on. Not much news here, IMO, just one more lawsuit where both sides allege they have been harmed by the other.
Not really. Freedom to criticise is a public issue, especially if it is fact-based criticism.
Despite the fact that everyone thinks they are right, there are in fact people in this world who are right, and those who are wrong. The system that we have developed to ascertain where the truth lies is not the law, but rather science.
The law is not there to decide on the science of whether particular medicines work. This was put astonishingly well by the UK high court, in the case of the BCA vs Simon Singh - http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2010/350.html
"To see where this approach leads, one can look at the pleadings. By his defence Dr Singh sets out the undisputed fact that the BCA promotes chiropractic as a treatment for infants and young children suffering from colic, sleeping and feeding problems, frequent ear infections, asthma and prolonged crying, and then says:
"The comment which the Defendant contends that the article bears is that the Claimant's behaviour in so doing is reckless and irresponsible in the light of the lack of any reliable scientific evidence supporting the effectiveness of such treatments and in the light of the risks of the treatment proposed."
He then sets out, ailment by ailment and study by study, his reasons for considering that none of the available epidemiological evidence reliably supports the BCA's claims. This is met by a reply of comparable length in which the BCA, again ailment by ailment and study by study, contests his view and asserts that there is some dependable evidence for its claims. Ms Rogers has told us that, given the judge's ruling that these are verifiable facts, the trial can be expected to involve expert evidence on both sides and a judicial conclusion as to whether there is any evidence for the BCA's claims.
One has only to contemplate this prospect to conclude that something is amiss. It is one thing to defame somebody in terms which can only be defended by proving their truth, even if this ineluctably casts the court in the role of historian or investigative journalist. It is another thing to evaluate published material as giving no evidential support to a claim and, on the basis of this evaluation, to denounce as irresponsible those who make the claim. Recent years have seen a small number of high-profile libel cases in which the courts, however reluctantly, have had to discharge the first of these functions. But these have been precisely cases in which the defendant has made a clear assertion of highly damaging fact, and must prove its truth or lose.
The present case is not in this class: the material words, however one represents or paraphrases their meaning, are in our judgment expressions of opinion. The opinion may be mistaken, but to allow the party which has been denounced on the basis of it to compel its author to prove in court what he has asserted by way of argument is to invite the court to become an Orwellian ministry of truth. Milton, recalling in the Areopagitica his visit to Italy in 1638-9, wrote:
"I have sat among their learned men, for that honour I had, and been counted happy to be born in such a place of philosophic freedom, as they supposed England was, while themselves did nothing but bemoan the servile condition into which learning among them was brought; …. that nothing had been there written now these many years but flattery and fustian. There it was that I found and visited the famous Galileo, grown old a prisoner of the Inquisition, for thinking in astronomy otherwise than the Franciscan and Dominican licensers thought."
That is a pass to which we ought not to come again."
The lawsuit is asking Wordpress to take down the posts or the blog, which is well within Wordpress' power.
I'm trying to avoid making a third analogy, because analogy usually takes you further from the specifics, but apparently I can't help it: It's analogous to suing YouTube when a user uploads copyrighted content. What is YouTube's responsibility to stop serving up the "illegal" content? Or a mail host's responsibility to stop customers from sending spam?
Hosts can not wash their hands of the content that they're sending out just because it was user-generated.
My point was not that both crimes were equivalent. My point was that "a user did it!" is not a defense against lawsuits.