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I was trying to understand what this is about, and this seems to have more context https://digit.site36.net/2025/09/09/first-german-trial-on-th...

But yeah to me it seems these "antifaschistisch orgs" acting like thugs and then thinking they're immune to prosecution because they're antifaschistisch (according to themselves) of course

Such talks have been part of ccc for decades?

I am getting more and more confused

Not really, look at the schedule for 34c3. Much more interesting things and less politics. And it also has felt more and more forced in the last couple years

Looking at the 34c3 Fahrplan, like a solid third of the talks are explicitly about politics

I don't get your point

The event that starts with "die Sprache der überwacher"

That's non political?

Its regardlessly still computer-adjacent, not like the talk linked from 39c3

Ok let me rephrase then if you didn’t understand my point: Its getting too filled with politics that don’t have anything to do with computers

Can you point to some?

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/... (already mentioned)

and from last year:

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/K...

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/S...

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2024/fahrplan/talk/W...

In comparison, the only talk linked above was "die Sprache der überwacher", a talk about actual surveillance.

Not sure the number is up from last year (I think there are fewer O/T talks this year even) but there are many talks that have nothing to do with hacking even if some of them might pigue my interest, such as the following:

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

Then there are topics merely having "computer" in them like everything in this day and age but aren't about hacking, and it's disappointing because I know for a fact other talks had to make room for these:

https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025/fahrplan/event/...

and there are a couple more.

Not everything in "Hacker News" is on-topic either I guess.

The talks by e-celebs also don't bring in anything novel, like at all.

Complex data analytics of political relevant topics have nothing to with hacking? With source code and data available to play with?

I would love to know what you would think would be more fitting talks?

I think you're missing the ethos of the event in general, and the fact that you are pointing to tracks in the ethics track or the arts track in particular.

How is it computer adjacent, keep in mind, it's a talk about how the media communicates things...

Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that

There are also other unrelated things which do not have a lot to do with computers, like "all creatures welcome".

> Surveillance was the political topic of 2020, so there was quite a few talks about that, migration is the political topic 2025, so there are a lot of talks about that

There is one important difference: surveillance is a deeply computer-/hacking-related topics while migration isn't.

So I would say a talk about surveillance (as long as it is relevant for hacking topics) typically has its place while it is much harder to find a reason why a talk about migration has relevance for a hacking conference.

The linked surveillance talk has nearly 0 references to computers and is all about media/reporting

> The linked surveillance talk has nearly 0 references to computers and is all about media/reporting

(link to the talk: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8969-die_sprache_der_uberwacher )

Surveillance has relevance to core CCC/hacking topics (privacy is a central topic against which hackers fight), so I can understand why the organisers decided to include this talk in the schedule: they considered it to be a good idea that the audience should also get a "non-computer perspective" on a topic that is highly relevant to hackers.

But I agree that for the decision to include or not include this specific talk, the organisers have to apply an exceptionally good judgement: if they make a "wrong" decision here, people will immediately (rightfully) complain that the talks are too political (or if they "wronged" by non-inclusion of this talk, the other side will complain that important topics are omitted).

> Surveillance has relevance to core CCC/hacking topics (privacy is a central topic against which hackers fight)

Great, who exactly is making those rules for all hackers?

People have complained about this for atleast the last 15 years where I have been active, to political, not political enough.

Stop complaining, start creating.

> Great, who exactly is making those rules for all hackers?

For example the Hacker Ethic by Steven Levy is very well-accepted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hacker_ethic&oldi...

> Stop complaining, start creating.

Who says that I don't do?

I think you just became a righty and are only just now noticing that CCC folks always hated righties with passion.

Not supporting violence = "righty"?

Using right dogwhistles == righty.

Genuinely, what do you mean

wait, where did that come from? Your original comment was about politics, not the violence of certain groups. I think that shifts a goal post.

That example is a really good one I also stumbled upon. Feels like a Indymedia meeting.