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And that was even after constructive cooperation with amd. Now think about the more common, hostile, interaction many suppliers provide.

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It's also worth noting the CAMM2 ram gets about the same performance.

Framework has stated that it asked AMD if there were any way to make the RAM on Ryzen AI Max APUs (like used in the Framework Desktop) socketed, and AMD said no due to the stability hit that’d entail — the physical distance from the CPU that’d be required with RAM sockets reduces signal integrity too much for it to function.

Which is weird. The entire point of [LP]CAMM[2] is to be able to make that work.

The Framework desktop clocks the memory at 8000MHz. That's well within the limits of the interface. Something is flawed or omitted in those CPUs if they can't handle it.

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