and still no one from that company has admitted to it being a mistake?
very nice
It absolutely is not a mistake. They’ve been slowly introducing limits to the Team Edition and screwing with the licensing in obtuse ways to drive revenue. It is something that has executive force behind it.
I have migrated everyone/everything to Zulip, which it turns out has a far better user experience and a much cleaner model. The admin tools are much more mature (and actually function reliably). I have not gotten any complaints.
And I also don’t have to deal with things like on-premise to managed cloud back to on-prem migrations due to ridiculous licensing and pricing instability.
Classic rug pull though
If they want to do that then, as every corporate "open source", they are free to do so but why not communicate that at least in the release post?
Any potential free user who would consider going paid will now be starting off their relationship negatively.
Really weird strategy.
I feel that this idea is now in jeopardy, if I understand the 10k message history is the limit correctly.
And there I thought I had a solution to slowly bring over project channels, family related things etc. that was as reliable as "my linux box will be reachable on the public internet" and I am willing to manage that it does.
Seems I was wrong, but I don't know which other software has better future proofing.
They're trusted by multiple government agencies to stick around and treat their users reasonably, and there are a plethora of clients to choose from.
Now I'll step to the side for the next person to tear me down and sell you on XMPP.
My "job" in this holy-war thread is to tell you Matrix has become lighter over time, the "default" server Synapse has less, but IMO more up-to-date documentation with a real corporation behind keeping it up-to-date and useful, has a blossoming ecosystem of clients, servers, and bridges (allowing you to use it for other chat systems like Whatsapp and Telegram), has encryption being an enforced default for one-to-one mesasges (instead of XMPP's bolted-on after-the-fact extension), and a paid team to make Synapse more robust, reliable, lighter, faster, and more secure.
Take both arguments with a grain of salt, as I am biased as hell (to the point of donating a small amount monthly to Matrix, and starting flame wars like this one).
the one thing I really want beyond persistent over whatsapp is threads. I hope matrix has a similarly trivial app/web/pc story as mattermost has, because the other users are not necessarily able to handle anything more complex than "download an app and sign in".
It's referenced in the discussion: https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost/issues/34271#issuec...
It's not the open source version, which is Mattermost Team Edition. Here's the full announcement: https://forum.mattermost.com/t/mattermost-v11-changes-in-fre...
Not sure what isn't included in the core though.