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I am having trouble understanding how anyone is unaware that children have pervasive and useful access to devices outside of their parent's sphere on a daily basis.

Or why anyone would discourage use of cryptographically hard privacy protecting solutions.

This is the perfect opportunity to take zero knowledge proofs mainstream, like end-to-end encryption, as a solution for myriads of current privacy leaking services and infrastructure.

The alternative to cryptographically protected privacy, is sites increasingly collecting people's identifiable information and associating their identities with access/behavior logs. Information that can never be assumed to stay private.

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Where exactly children have this access in your opinion?

Let’s start with friend’s devices. Children have lots of devices and lots of friends.

Friend’s phones, home computers and devices of other family members.

Unattended PCs and laptops at school. According to a music teacher who has literally had to clean her work computer after it was used for erotic viewing by students when the music room in a temp building wasn’t otherwise in use.

Web browsers on game consoles, e-readers, VR headsets, smart TVs, tablets, …

Now throw in constant device turnover, software updates, including settings panel changes, and settings values that get reverted, across the board.

I am not sure why you wanted my opinion. That’s less of an opinion and more of a list of what counts as ordinary for the last decade or so.

So if we secure personal devices of children, with simple, standardized "child-owned" marker, we're basically back to 80s/90s, where children could occasionally get access to adult material via friends or irresponsible adults.

In my opinion that's more than enough, especially when you compare it to requiring everyone to identify themselves. It may be ZPK on the tin, but likely it will be close-source, corporation owned implementation, which will have holes. Then in a few years we will learn that Meta exploited them for years to sell your soul for ad money.

Btw - students occasionally steal teacher's cars. Should we block engine start with ID check too?

> In my opinion that's more than enough, especially when you compare it to requiring everyone to identify themselves.

The solution I proposed was the opposite of people identifying themselves.

Zero knowledge proofs. Enabling trusted verification without revealing identity is exactly what cryptographers designed them for.

We should be using them everywhere. Like end-to-end encryption they provide massive privacy, security, and trust (I.e. ability to verify intended disclosure) improvements.

Or we can complain about parents, the ones who care enough to ask for better help, while legislatures keep passing identity revealing anti-privacy rules. That seems to be the direction many are taking here. Complain, condescendingly, don’t solve anything. Repeat.

You were waiting so long to jump at me with ZKP you didn't even read my comment, where I addressed them...

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