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>The handguns used to murder almost all come from over the border. The way this intersects with the border and US foreign and trade policy re: Canada is hard to avoid. Free exchange with the USA increasingly is seen as a vulnerability.

The elephant in the room...

Where do the people who murder come from? Immigration from certain parts of the world could also be seen as a vulnerability. There is a trend that no one wants to admit, So when you have a certain type of person who is violent and killing people, perhaps it is the type of people we are letting in, they are incompatible with Canadian/Western values.

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What are the stats for that? Here in the USA, the overwhelming majority of criminals are native-born citizens. If you have stats that show immigrants are disproportionately the gun-wielding criminals, that'll bolster your argument. Otherwise, that just sounds like Russian talking points.

"native-born citizens" may be, but do the majority have something in common?

A quick look at the table https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7242a4.htm shows that the issue is not guns but something else. This is corroborated by these similar charts: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/firearms.html vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...

Well, since you've opened Pandora's box: the highest rate of homicide (by perpetrator) among major ethnic groups in Canada is indigenous. (Also as victims: the child who died in Toronto was indigenous.) There's definitely something going on there with that statistic, but it's not because of immigration.

I was referring to Southern Ontario, specifically the GTA, since it is the most populated area of Canada.

It's unfortunately true in southern Ontario, too. Indigenous people make up about 3% of Ontario's population, and they make up 20% of the population in provincial jails. The large disparity is also seen in Toronto, but since indigenous people are less than 1% of the population of Toronto, it doesn't show up so much in absolute terms.

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