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> I definitely was not aware Spotify DRM had been cracked to enable downloading at scale like this.

Do they have DRM at all? Youtube and Pandora don't.

Spotify has DRM, and you can find open-source reimplementations of it on github.

Their native clients use a weak hand-rolled DRM scheme (which is where the ogg vorbis files come from), whereas the web player uses Widevine with AAC.

Yes they do use DRM. I know they are using Widevine on the web player, but possibly other ones too (never looked very far). Not sure for the app, it might be that it is using OGG streams with a custom DRM (which is probably the one some existing downloaders actually (ab)use).

It's called playplay. It's used for protecting their new lossless files. But the first rule of playplay is you can't talk about playplay. https://torrentfreak.com/spotify-dismantles-spotifydl-track-...

YouTube Music uses Widevine.

If it's on YouTube Music, it's also on... YouTube.

Not necessarily at the same quality though.

I assume in most cases they're literally the same files. Youtube runs "topic" channels for music that distributors have sent it.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYOa-hi751OKY2zGJJv6V2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSSxnv1_J2g (same thing, but on an official channel instead)

You can load any youtube music song on youtube by just removing the "music" subdomain.

Then why do you say they might not be the same files?

Music might have higher quality audio-only files as provided where Youtube might have it combined with video and a generic compression algorithm applied as with all other uploaded videos.

Let me start over. Youtube itself has DRM required for certain videos, and certain formats of videos.

The 256 kbps format for music will be protected by DRM. If you do not have DRM available youtube will fallback to a lower quality format to play the auduo.

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