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Based on the benchmarks that I've seen, 5800X3D is still a good CPU for games, when paired with a very expensive GPU, otherwise a 5600X is cheaper and acts less than a heater over the winter. Someone with the money for a nVidia 5800 GPU will pair it with a 9800X3D, for most games even 16 GB of RAM will work and would be cheap enough, while for applications one does not need X3D, so what exactly is the point of 5800X3D scalping?

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5800x3d / 5700x3d are MUCH MUCH MUCH faster than non-x3d in some games that are CPU bound (for some even 2x / 3x faster than non-x3d) so even with a "slower" GPU it can still be a large upgrade

when you game in 4K thats only relevant for games like factorio or city skylines.

world of warcraft has a huge speedup on x3d

in the main capital, yes. but even in raids i hit 120 fps in 4k with my 5800x.

> so what exactly is the point of 5800X3D scalping

in the past, growth in PC gaming came naturally with the growth in the adoption of computers around the world.

at saturation of "new to computers" audiences, growth in PC gaming comes from convincing the core gaming demographic, newly-turned 13 year old boys, to agitate for PCs instead of XYZ.

so a big part of it is the retail-marketing experience - the aesthetics of buying - and scalping / sense of urgency plays extremely well with the buyer who actually chooses PC over a nintendo switch, as opposed to a kid who will never make the more expensive choice ever.

this is really a story about saturation than it is about hardware or shortages for AI usage or whatever.

Pc gaming is also massively cheaper than consoles these days so the lifetime cost is lower

How?

Consoles don’t pay for online subscriptions with f2p games anymore, which is the overwhelming lions share of online play today.

Consoles also get to flip games you’re done with. I’m positive about 3 of my friends spend much less than I do on gaming these days because of all the games they buy, play once, then flip again on FB market place

And then you get to the rising entry level cost of PC gaming. If you want something better than a Steam deck you’re looking at 1K USD to start with an Intel dGPU

But I guess if you’re fine with a Steam deck it’s a bit cheaper than consoles to start

The best claim that PC gaming has today is that it has a much larger library with indies that don’t release on console

Looking forward the physical media will disappear (with maybe the exception being Nintendo). Next gen playstation will probably be more expensive than the ps5 pro which is already 800 EUR in Europe so there will be little difference in pricing I think.

You are right about f2p though but you also don't need an insane PC to play most of the popular ones. Even a mini pc does that these days pretty decently and Integrated Graphics will keep on improving.

You are simply not making any meaningful amount of heat with a 5800X3D. You're talking about a TDP of 105W and a PPT of 142W.

And that's under extreme loads. In gaming it's only like 50-75w

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/images/power-g...

from https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/24.ht...

> 5600X is cheaper and acts less than a heater over the winter

It’s impossible to keep my 5800x below 90C under full load.

This is where the 5700X shines. 8 cores, still cool.

The 5700X has the same 8 cores as a 5800X3D but with a slightly higher maximum clock speed (the X3D CPUs tend to have lower maximum voltages because the extra cache die doesn't tolerate voltages as high as the CPU cores do). The only reason the 5700X is running cooler for you is because it comes with a 65W "TDP" setting out of the box rather than the 105W "TDP" setting used by the 5800X3D. If you configure a 5800X3D to operate at the same power limit, it'll give you generally better performance than a 5700X.

In general, buying a power-limited desktop CPU has never been a good strategy to get better efficiency. You can always configure the full-power chip to only use that extra headroom for short bursts, and to throttle down to what you consider acceptable for sustained workloads.

And the 7900 ! (AM5 though)

I got the 5950x at launch for stupid money. I have no reason to part from it.

The Ryzen CPUs seem to be designed to spike as high as whatever thermal limit you configure with Precision Boost Overdrive.

Mine runs at 60C when running Prime95 at full load, i got a open bench case though.

The 7000 series is designed to hit those loads, i wonder how your 5000 series can even reach that.

Then you need better cooling. The stock coolers are pretty mediocre.

The 5800X didn’t ship with a stock cooler IIRC. Mine is cooled with a 360 AIO + PTM7950, the thing just runs really hot when all cores are hitting ~4.4GHz.

Does your motherboard have auto-oc enabled? Have you checked what voltage it's using? Have you tried setting a negative voltage offset and stability testing? Some motherboards will apply 1.3v+ when 1.2v is plenty.

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