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JD Vance: "You might try hiring Americans."

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I didn't think there's a surplus of doctors, nurses and other medical professionals in the US (or any country). Partially due to the expense of training and partially due to resistance from the (self-)licensing organization unwilling to kill their future income. I'm also not sure there's a surplus of PhD's in the chemistry or biology areas to feed places like biotech, pharm, academia and related startups. To satisfy such positions, people are looking at 12 + 5 + 2 post HS education.

And then there's the scut work nobody seems to want to do - somebody has to pick in the fields, shred those chickens, ... And Connor and Maddie never seem to be interested in jobs at this level.

Will the governments step in to prevent companies from offshoring? Will people pay more at Walmart?

I’ve seen numerous accounts on Twitter that push visa bans - often far right supremacist accounts - that are also pushing to denaturalize existing citizens who were previously immigrants, and yes, to ban or heavily tax offshoring.

My usual question: why this was flagged?

JD Vance responded to a lawsuit about the new $100,000 H1B visa fee imposed by the Trump administration with a condescending, aggressive reply on Twitter. It’s surprising to see this because JD Vance has been positioned as the tech industry / tech billionaire’s candidate. With immigrants founding half the Fortune 500 and leading many large companies and innovating in AI (like the attention paper), it seems like a huge mistake to encourage isolationist America First ideology. Worse, anti immigrant rhetoric is now encouraging racism and supremacist ideology in the mainstream. I wonder if JD Vance will regret this movement given he has a mixed race family.

I don't have a dog in this fight but one can definitely be pro tech and favor the local workforce.

America First is not isolationist ("America Only" would be isolationist).

This reads about as good faith as "all lives matter" being shouted in the faces of people at "black lives matter" protests.

I'd love to be wrong on this but so far there has been a lot of egregious isolationist behavior that doesn't match up with something I would personally support as "America First". A truly good faith policy of non-isolationist, non-hate-based "America First" would come down hard on falsely imprisoning us citizens, destroying us soft power, abusing us allies, manic tarrifs (even without the billions in insider trading happening around them), blatant corruption, selling pardons, and the massive waste and diversion of us tax money. These things hurt America; honest shepherds don't cover up for wolves in the flock.

I think most us folks would support the idea that our government should help our country as the number one priority. It would be nice if all we debated was which policies to use and on which timescales to focus.

Ironically, the current "America first" approach you're trying to gaslight about is actually putting a bad taste in folks' mouths and hurting any honest cause wanting to push this forward.

I imagine blocking new immigrant talent favors existing mega corps, because it avoids founding any new Google or a similar competitive startup. While the corp is able to sacrifice a 20-day salary for a dedicated new bright employee. Or subtract the sum from his future salary.

If you really want to hire the "best and brightest" it should be worth paying the 100K fee to bring that 'talent' into the US if that equivalent skill can't be found in the US.

Instead these companies will just layoff Americans and relocate their tech offices in the one country (India) that takes up more than 75% of the H1B pool. (I wonder why?)

Is the 75% of that pool really the most elite "best and brightest" such that it warrants not hiring a US citizen? Or is the true reason that the purchasing power of a US employee is far higher than a H1B from India as long as they're cheap and can be overworked since rebelling means deportation which you can't do to a US citizen?

Those preaching "best and brightest" were also the same ones offshoring their critical technologies and secrets overseas to the low quality engineers just to cuts costs. What it actually does it causes billion dollar problems.

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