This _is_ democracy. Europeans don't vote left and green.
Those groups have only 235 seats in the EU parliament out of 720.
Those groups have only 235 seats in the EU parliament out of 720.
It’s easy to reduce it to party lines, but that kind of thinking is just wrong. Details matters.
Is there a word for reducing it to something abstract and then attacking the abstraction, even though it is leaky?
Because I'm betting it's the latter.
Not difficult to see why when both parties have implemented policies that have become very unpopular with the masses. You're not gonna win voters on "let them eat cake" policies when the no. 1 concern of voters is keeping their job and affording the ever increasing bills.
Both left and green parties have been writing cheques that the working class had to cash, so now they're experiencing the backlash consequences of their actions. It's just democracy at work.
They need to "git gud" and give the people what they want if they want votes. It's really not rocket science, but self reflection seems to be heavily lacking in politics due to how detached the ruling class are from the working class.
And we all want many thing in life, like for example I would want my bus to work every 5 minutes instead of every 30 minutes, but everything nice in life has a hefty price, and if you make a large part of the economy bankrupt or leave and workers unemployed or broke from rising costs, in exchange for financially unrealistic environmental targets that only a small part of the population can tolerate("let them eat cake"), then that might not sit well with a large part of the democratic voting population who has to bare the brunt of your wishes.
A balance has to be found between what's nice and desirable and what's economically feasible without causing economic hardship on others, otherwise something breaks and you get rising extremism and .
Oil companies and countries that sell oil will say it's not feasable and companies that produce panels says that it is.
We cannot rely on "what is economically feasable" because unless you are and expert you will have to get that info from one side or the other, and even independent bodies will be under lobbying pressures.
When the majority disagrees with me then there must be some anti-democratic meddling or foreign interference going on.
They just do a fabulous job of convincing the working and lower classes that they’re “one of the people” while shifting the blame onto other people (immigrants, disabled, anyone who wants a living wage from their 40+ hour job, etc).
Because wealth inequality and housing unaffordability has increased regardless if left or right wing were in power.
There's no good and bad one here, they're both just cosplaying.
Is that like the meme on how communism isn't bad, because we never had "real communism"?
I think bringing communism into the discussion around left wing parties is as daft as saying all republicans or Tories are Nazis.
The problem with the UK and US is we’re so used to right wing policies that anything moderately left is considered “extreme”. There’s no nuance left because people are closed off to it. (And to be fair, may left wing folk don’t help when they call their right wing peers “racists”. There definitely needs to be more tolerance on both sides)
That couldn't be more vague. That's like saying I want a car like the ones in that parking lot over there.
You have no idea that some parties in Poland, Hungary or Romania would make Donald Trump look left wing.
When I asked you what type of left parties you claim are lacking, I expected to hear the exact policies you want but are lacking, not pointing at random parties that not everyone knows.
And we've have enough left wing and green policies in Europe since they're the ones who championed the "refugees welcome" open borders problem, gas dependence on Russian gas and denuclearisation.
That’s why I then gave examples ;)
> You have no idea that some parties in Poland, Hungary or Romania would make Donald Trump look left wing.
You’re now talking about nationalist parties.
But yes, I do agree that there are right wing leaning counties in Central Europe as well.
To be honest, it feels like the whole world is heading that way right now.